Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeanz View Post
There is a reason why the thread has turned to the Iraq war and it has nothing to do with me. Yourself and Miles and Lyle all took it down that dead end. As for Straw man arguments it really is not the case that I misrepresented your own arguments but rather that you have yourself resorted to creating such fallacies to defend an untenable position.

If like you attest the Iraq war was ENTIRELY about access to it's Oil reserves then what happened to the victims of genocide planned and carried out ? Were they not good enough reasons to question the lefts policy of turning a blind eye. Do you really think the wringing of hands or averting ones eyes while atrocities are carried out amounts to anything more than being an apologist for Murderous dictators like Saddam Hussein?

You are trying to make out that people who carry out acts of terror, whether in New York or Woolwich are seeking to avenge the deaths of innocent Muslims when in reality they are seeking to usher in a new regime of intolerance and barbarity in which more innocent people of all faiths and none are crushed under their medieval doctrines.
I only picked this one out of many points you made in your last post that I could have argued. I picked it because us fighting these wars is the reason we're getting incidents like Wollwich.

What untenable position am I defending?

We don't give a fuck what happens in any of these countries. When Saddam gassed the Kurds he was still on our side and Donald Rumsfeld flew over to sell him more gas.



The American DIA, the military version of the CIA produced a report that blamed the genocide at Halabja on the Iranians. It was the official US/western position that the Iranians gassed the Kurds until we fell out with Saddam and needed an excuse to go after him. Once again, we don'r give a flying fuck about democracy or human rights in that region. We prop up five dictatorships that border Iraq for fuck's sake. Why aren't we intervening in Bahrain right now to stop the repression and slaughter of the pro-democracy protestors, hmmm?

There guys might well want to turn the whole world Muslim but it's never going to happen, is it? All they're capable of is shit like Woolwich/Boston and the perps themselves have told you why they're doing it.