Soldier butchered in street in Woolwich

[Kirkland Laing]

You posted a link with comments from that simpleton Chuck Hagel and that fat ape Michael Moore...gee however could I disagree with those two


A war for oil eh? Well according to this



We get a whopping 3.2% of our oil from Iraq....maaaaan why didn't we blow them up sooner? Also why didn't we blow up Canada? Pfffft that would be too easy I guess

It's not where you get your oil from. It's where American corporations get their oil from. American corporations don't give a flying fuck about you. You're just simpletons who get to buy their products and fight in their wars. They'll happily sell their oil to the highest bidders, whether that;s the Chinese, the Europeans or whoever.

And don't forget Iraq turned out to be a complete failure as far as what America wanted to see happen went. You invaded, couldn't set the political system up the way you wanted and ended up handing the country over to Iran.

Here's the handover press conference that the liberal media never showed you on your TV.

[Dark Lord Al]

I don't see how Brit is short for a Britain .
However Paki is short for Pakistan , but to call a Brit British isn't racist , but to call a Pakistani a Paki is racist ? Who makes up these rules , fucking stupid if u ask me , one rule for one , one rule for another.

In case you are wondering , and start to call me racist , my nephew is engaged to a girl of Punjabi stock , and we are great friends.

I just think as a country we have become to politically correct , madness.

The offensive word has been offensive for years, so do not tell me you are surprised. You say that to your nephews girl and you will see.

I didn't say I go round calling anyone a PAKI , I was making a point , and your reaction to jump right on me shows the world has gone mad.

BRIT = BRITISH
PAKI = PAKISTANI

You can find something offensive in everything in life , people just need to fucking grow up.
it is that simple , anyone who sees it different is the racist.

http://youtu.be/hpTe8tuaY2Y

[El Kabong]

I didn't say I go round calling anyone a PAKI , I was making a point , and your reaction to jump right on me shows the world has gone mad.

BRIT = BRITISH
PAKI = PAKISTANI

it is that simple , anyone who see it different is the racist.

My God, what a brazen and boastful display of common sense......HOW VERY DARE YOU!!!!

[Kirkland Laing]

There is a reason why the thread has turned to the Iraq war and it has nothing to do with me. Yourself and Miles and Lyle all took it down that dead end. As for Straw man arguments it really is not the case that I misrepresented your own arguments but rather that you have yourself resorted to creating such fallacies to defend an untenable position.

If like you attest the Iraq war was ENTIRELY about access to it's Oil reserves then what happened to the victims of genocide planned and carried out ? Were they not good enough reasons to question the lefts policy of turning a blind eye. Do you really think the wringing of hands or averting ones eyes while atrocities are carried out amounts to anything more than being an apologist for Murderous dictators like Saddam Hussein?

You are trying to make out that people who carry out acts of terror, whether in New York or Woolwich are seeking to avenge the deaths of innocent Muslims when in reality they are seeking to usher in a new regime of intolerance and barbarity in which more innocent people of all faiths and none are crushed under their medieval doctrines.

I only picked this one out of many points you made in your last post that I could have argued. I picked it because us fighting these wars is the reason we're getting incidents like Wollwich.

What untenable position am I defending?

We don't give a fuck what happens in any of these countries. When Saddam gassed the Kurds he was still on our side and Donald Rumsfeld flew over to sell him more gas.



The American DIA, the military version of the CIA produced a report that blamed the genocide at Halabja on the Iranians. It was the official US/western position that the Iranians gassed the Kurds until we fell out with Saddam and needed an excuse to go after him. Once again, we don'r give a flying fuck about democracy or human rights in that region. We prop up five dictatorships that border Iraq for fuck's sake. Why aren't we intervening in Bahrain right now to stop the repression and slaughter of the pro-democracy protestors, hmmm?

There guys might well want to turn the whole world Muslim but it's never going to happen, is it? All they're capable of is shit like Woolwich/Boston and the perps themselves have told you why they're doing it.

[Kirkland Laing]

Oh now I know what muzzies are !
Had me stumped there for bit.

Oil is all about controlling the world price not supply. It is about barrels released and produced on demand as much as stockpiles.

The Middle east consortium via a few global companies (It had a real name,which I forget, but it was a number of countries who sought to join up to be in the controlling position of the world price).
They nearly got control at one point and were a mere vote away from a monopoly on it, its only that they fell apart in disagreement and lost some voters over our Israeli friends doing something or another at the time, that they fucked themselves up.
Usa saw this and have worked very nicely on a number of levels to halt them ever going up the same path and forming into another. A foothold over there is very useful.

It was mainly American companies who were controlling the oil market up till the mid seventies when the Atrabs started taking control/Iranian revolution happened and US control started to slip. Here's a brief history:

OPEC and Crude Oil

[El Kabong]

You posted a link with comments from that simpleton Chuck Hagel and that fat ape Michael Moore...gee however could I disagree with those two


A war for oil eh? Well according to this



We get a whopping 3.2% of our oil from Iraq....maaaaan why didn't we blow them up sooner? Also why didn't we blow up Canada? Pfffft that would be too easy I guess

It's not where you get your oil from. It's where American corporations get their oil from. American corporations don't give a flying fuck about you. You're just simpletons who get to buy their products and fight in their wars. They'll happily sell their oil to the highest bidders, whether that;s the Chinese, the Europeans or whoever.

And don't forget Iraq turned out to be a complete failure as far as what America wanted to see happen went. You invaded, couldn't set the political system up the way you wanted and ended up handing the country over to Iran.

Here's the handover press conference that the liberal media never showed you on your TV.

#1 your little picture doesn't work dingus

#2 Iraq turned out to be a failure...the United States took over an entire country after 21 days of major combat operations....hardly a "failure" from a military standpoint I mean actually its downright impressive come to think of it. It took the Nazi's 1 month and 5 days to take Poland and that was considered pretty quick. PLUS the US made bombing runs on Iraq & Afghanistan from Air Force bases in Missouri......fucking Missouri man! But I suppose all that is lost on you, America is always the bad guy in your eyes and that's all that matters.

[Dark Lord Al]

I don't see how Brit is short for a Britain .
However Paki is short for Pakistan , but to call a Brit British isn't racist , but to call a Pakistani a Paki is racist ? Who makes up these rules , fucking stupid if u ask me , one rule for one , one rule for another.

In case you are wondering , and start to call me racist , my nephew is engaged to a girl of Punjabi stock , and we are great friends.

I just think as a country we have become to politically correct , madness.

The offensive word has been offensive for years, so do not tell me you are surprised. You say that to your nephews girl and you will see.

I didn't say I go round calling anyone a PAKI , I was making a point , and your reaction to jump right on me shows the world has gone mad.

BRIT = BRITISH
PAKI = PAKISTANI

You can find something offensive in everything in life , people just need to fucking grow up.
it is that simple , anyone who sees it different is the racist.

Heckler Gets Owned! - YouTube

Watch the video of someone not even listening and playing the race card.

[VictorCharlie]

I was wondering how long this would go before Kirk put up that picture. Kirk, you've got that blown poster size in your house (not your main house but the lake house in Lausanne) don't you?

[Kirkland Laing]

You posted a link with comments from that simpleton Chuck Hagel and that fat ape Michael Moore...gee however could I disagree with those two


A war for oil eh? Well according to this



We get a whopping 3.2% of our oil from Iraq....maaaaan why didn't we blow them up sooner? Also why didn't we blow up Canada? Pfffft that would be too easy I guess

It's not where you get your oil from. It's where American corporations get their oil from. American corporations don't give a flying fuck about you. You're just simpletons who get to buy their products and fight in their wars. They'll happily sell their oil to the highest bidders, whether that;s the Chinese, the Europeans or whoever.

And don't forget Iraq turned out to be a complete failure as far as what America wanted to see happen went. You invaded, couldn't set the political system up the way you wanted and ended up handing the country over to Iran.

Here's the handover press conference that the liberal media never showed you on your TV.

#1 your little picture doesn't work dingus

#2 Iraq turned out to be a failure...the United States took over an entire country after 21 days of major combat operations....hardly a "failure" from a military standpoint I mean actually its downright impressive come to think of it. It took the Nazi's 1 month and 5 days to take Poland and that was considered pretty quick. PLUS the US made bombing runs on Iraq & Afghanistan from Air Force bases in Missouri......fucking Missouri man! But I suppose all that is lost on you, America is always the bad guy in your eyes and that's all that matters.

You invaded a country under false pretence in a war for oil, you killed a couple of hundred thousand civilians and then Iran booted you out. Every paper in the Arabic and Asian world had that photograph and a headline similar to "America's humiliation". Either from a military/foreign policy point of view or just a moral point of view that's nothing to be proud of, is it?

[Kirkland Laing]

I was wondering how long this would go before Kirk put up that picture. Kirk, you've got that blown poster size in your house (not your main house but the lake house in Lausanne) don't you?

Why Lausanne?

[El Kabong]

You invaded a country under false pretence in a war for oil, you killed a couple of hundred thousand civilians and then Iran booted you out. Every paper in the Arabic and Asian world had that photograph and a headline similar to "America's humiliation". Either from a military/foreign policy point of view or just a moral point of view that's nothing to be proud of, is it?

#1 Iraq knowingly AND repeatedly violated numerous UN resolutions.....how many times must I type that out before you pull your head out of your ass and read it?

#2 The civilian casualties in Iraq are minute when compared to any other war ESPECIALLY when you consider the amount of civilians the Allied Forces supposedly killed as opposed to the ones that were killed in the sectarian violence.

[Kirkland Laing]

You invaded a country under false pretence in a war for oil, you killed a couple of hundred thousand civilians and then Iran booted you out. Every paper in the Arabic and Asian world had that photograph and a headline similar to "America's humiliation". Either from a military/foreign policy point of view or just a moral point of view that's nothing to be proud of, is it?

#1 Iraq knowingly AND repeatedly violated numerous UN resolutions.....how many times must I type that out before you pull your head out of your ass and read it?

#2 The civilian casualties in Iraq are minute when compared to any other war ESPECIALLY when you consider the amount of civilians the Allied Forces supposedly killed as opposed to the ones that were killed in the sectarian violence.

OK, they violated UN sanctions. So what? So do lots of other countries, including Middle Eastern countries that we're allied with. Iraq's violations didn't give America or anybody else the right to invade as I already pointed out. Bush invaded without UN sanction to do so, not with it.


OK, so you killed less people in this failed war for oil than in other wars. Congratulations. Maybe if you only kill a few hundred thousand people then it doesn't really count.

[El Kabong]

OK, they violated UN sanctions. So what? So do lots of other countries, including Middle Eastern countries that we're allied with. Iraq's violations didn't give America or anybody else the right to invade as I already pointed out. Bush invaded without UN sanction to do so, not with it.


OK, so you killed less people in this failed war for oil than in other wars. Congratulations. Maybe if you only kill a few hundred thousand people then it doesn't really count.

Really? Really? we're going to be THAT cynical "Well everyone else violates UN resolutions".....well not everyone else was already on the shit list to begin with.

UN Security Council Resolution 1441 passed by a UNANIMOUS 15-0 vote (wider support than even was given to the Persian Gulf War)

The ambassador for the United States, John Negroponte, said:

“This resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12. The resolution makes clear that any Iraqi failure to comply is unacceptable and that Iraq must be disarmed. And, one way or another, Iraq will be disarmed. If the Security Council fails to act decisively in the event of further Iraqi violations, this resolution does not constrain any Member State from acting to defend itself against the threat posed by Iraq or to enforce relevant United Nations resolutions and protect world peace and security


"Failed war for oil"....you mean where the US took over an entire country in less than a month? And don't you a worthless self loathing Brit preach to ME about illegal wars you jackass. Your dumb fucking country got the Middle East drawn out this way and if that wasn't enough England got the US involved in the Iranian Revolution and what do we have to show for it? A bunch of effete little cocksuckers who bemoan the United States getting involved in other countries.....well I'm sorry, I guess that was only OK when you guys did it....a thousand pardons

[VictorCharlie]

I was wondering how long this would go before Kirk put up that picture. Kirk, you've got that blown poster size in your house (not your main house but the lake house in Lausanne) don't you?

Why Lausanne?

Don't all wealthy glob trotting lefties have a lake house there?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Lyle, all the crazy of Miles without the alcohol