How do you apply the Jack Dempsey drop/trigger step to the right cross/left hook?

[greynotsoold]

The drop/trigger is also often referred to as the falling step...See what I mean? Your weight is basically 'falling' forward, not twisting or rotating. You can't 'fall' forward and throw a left hook, as the weight needs to get going in a different direction. You can 'step' in and hook, but bring your right foot up, maybe slide it to the right a wee bit, so the weight has a place to go.

[OMGWTF]

The drop/trigger is also often referred to as the falling step...See what I mean? Your weight is basically 'falling' forward, not twisting or rotating. You can't 'fall' forward and throw a left hook, as the weight needs to get going in a different direction. You can 'step' in and hook, but bring your right foot up, maybe slide it to the right a wee bit, so the weight has a place to go.

Ok thankyou so for the left hook I would have to fall to my right.

What about the falling step for the straight right? I cant rotate my hips very well or get the normal hip weight transfer AS I do the falling step fowards. Hows it done?

[greynotsoold]

The drop/trigger is also often referred to as the falling step...See what I mean? Your weight is basically 'falling' forward, not twisting or rotating. You can't 'fall' forward and throw a left hook, as the weight needs to get going in a different direction. You can 'step' in and hook, but bring your right foot up, maybe slide it to the right a wee bit, so the weight has a place to go.

Ok thankyou so for the left hook I would have to fall to my right.

What about the falling step for the straight right? I cant rotate my hips very well or get the normal hip weight transfer AS I do the falling step fowards. Hows it done?

I read one description that had it this way: Put all your weight on the left foot, lean so far up on the left foot that you are about to fall over. Then take a giant step forward with the left foot. I suspect that that was meant as an exaggeration to get the feel of the move and then to be refined later.
Try this instead...You know how, when you are doing footwork drills, you move in small steps? Start moving in big gliding motions, like a fencer. You're pushing off of that rear foot. Get in the habit of moving your hands and feet together- so when you push off and the left foot moves, move the left hand with it, drive the arm straight out. When you bring up the right foot, you are throwing the straight right, driving it all the way out. All your weight is coming forward; do it a few times and you'll start getting a feel for how you have to get your weight over your left leg. I could show you in a minute or two but I don't think I could possibly explain it typing.
The things about doing it that way, is that it is a very graceful move and maintains balance. And you can instantly slide back out of range...in fact, try it going forward and then backward to get the feel and your balance before you try it with the punches.

[OMGWTF]

The drop/trigger is also often referred to as the falling step...See what I mean? Your weight is basically 'falling' forward, not twisting or rotating. You can't 'fall' forward and throw a left hook, as the weight needs to get going in a different direction. You can 'step' in and hook, but bring your right foot up, maybe slide it to the right a wee bit, so the weight has a place to go.

Ok thankyou so for the left hook I would have to fall to my right.

What about the falling step for the straight right? I cant rotate my hips very well or get the normal hip weight transfer AS I do the falling step fowards. Hows it done?

I read one description that had it this way: Put all your weight on the left foot, lean so far up on the left foot that you are about to fall over. Then take a giant step forward with the left foot. I suspect that that was meant as an exaggeration to get the feel of the move and then to be refined later.
Try this instead...You know how, when you are doing footwork drills, you move in small steps? Start moving in big gliding motions, like a fencer. You're pushing off of that rear foot. Get in the habit of moving your hands and feet together- so when you push off and the left foot moves, move the left hand with it, drive the arm straight out. When you bring up the right foot, you are throwing the straight right, driving it all the way out. All your weight is coming forward; do it a few times and you'll start getting a feel for how you have to get your weight over your left leg. I could show you in a minute or two but I don't think I could possibly explain it typing.
The things about doing it that way, is that it is a very graceful move and maintains balance. And you can instantly slide back out of range...in fact, try it going forward and then backward to get the feel and your balance before you try it with the punches.

I dont see how this helps, it just makes everything more subtle, its great for normal footwork it keeps your weight nice and even and its fast, but it makes the drop step more subtle and therefore less powerful and it makes my weight transfer problem less of a problem but its still the same problem just a more subtle version, instead of all my weight on my front foot, now most of it is but not all of it, so im no further foward its still the same problem. That dosnt help at all.

[greynotsoold]

The drop/trigger is also often referred to as the falling step...See what I mean? Your weight is basically 'falling' forward, not twisting or rotating. You can't 'fall' forward and throw a left hook, as the weight needs to get going in a different direction. You can 'step' in and hook, but bring your right foot up, maybe slide it to the right a wee bit, so the weight has a place to go.

Ok thankyou so for the left hook I would have to fall to my right.

What about the falling step for the straight right? I cant rotate my hips very well or get the normal hip weight transfer AS I do the falling step fowards. Hows it done?

I read one description that had it this way: Put all your weight on the left foot, lean so far up on the left foot that you are about to fall over. Then take a giant step forward with the left foot. I suspect that that was meant as an exaggeration to get the feel of the move and then to be refined later.
Try this instead...You know how, when you are doing footwork drills, you move in small steps? Start moving in big gliding motions, like a fencer. You're pushing off of that rear foot. Get in the habit of moving your hands and feet together- so when you push off and the left foot moves, move the left hand with it, drive the arm straight out. When you bring up the right foot, you are throwing the straight right, driving it all the way out. All your weight is coming forward; do it a few times and you'll start getting a feel for how you have to get your weight over your left leg. I could show you in a minute or two but I don't think I could possibly explain it typing.
The things about doing it that way, is that it is a very graceful move and maintains balance. And you can instantly slide back out of range...in fact, try it going forward and then backward to get the feel and your balance before you try it with the punches.

I dont see how this helps, it just makes everything more subtle, its great for normal footwork it keeps your weight nice and even and its fast, but it makes the drop step more subtle and therefore less powerful and it makes my weight transfer problem less of a problem but its still the same problem just a more subtle version, instead of all my weight on my front foot, now most of it is but not all of it, so im no further foward its still the same problem. That dosnt help at all.

Did you try the move? Especially with the right hand? Your weight will be coming forward just about as much as it possibly can; you don't actually want to fall down, you know? You have to be in a position, balance-wise, to make the next move, whether that move is to throw a left hook, to retreat out of range, or to bob under a counter. But try it- push off that back foot and get your body moving forward, throw the straight right as your right foot is coming up. Your weight will be as forward as it can get without you going over face first (and you'll find/feel the spot where your hips need to turn. I was just doing this in my living room), and you'll end up in a spot where you can do something else next.
Maybe I'm not explaining this well; I know that if you and I were in the same room I could show you and you would get it. Keep in mind...all that weight coming forward needs a turning point to make it useful, to get it going in the direction it needs to go in. When you slide forward- and really propel yourself- that left foot, when it lands, provides that point. I know I'm not explaining this well...The weight comes up from behind. It goes over the left leg which is the pivot point; from that point on the weight is moving forward and focused on the right fist. Try the move, see how it flows, and how you maintain balance.

[OMGWTF]

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[OMGWTF]

Greynotsoold you are a genius, I was not bringing my rear foot with me I was lunging like a retard, you told me this before and I must have gone back to my old habit of not bringing my rear foot with me each time. Sorry Grey and thankyou, you just increased the power of my jab inadvertantly and now I know how to step in with the cross and make the foward energy flow with the twisting of the cross!

I feel like such a Dick, thanks Grey I owe you!

[OMGWTF]

Grey im finding it hard to find the sweet spot of when to twist my foot/hips after ive stepped in, I found it hard to learn how to spin my hips when stationary now when im moving in then throwing the cross I find theres less weight on my back foot as I bring that rear foot up and for me when theres less weight on that rear foot I find it hard to rotate my hips with any power. Is it just a case of more practice or am I missing something still?

Ive noticed like you said the moment my front leg plants it becomes the pivot point for the foward momentum, and turns that foward momentum into a rotation.

Edit: scrap that Grey I was doing another old habit of twisting from the waist instead of from the foot/hips as I stepped in, so now I twist the rear foot the moment I bring it up and it twists my hips as normal.

Thanks again mate!!!!!!!!

[greynotsoold]

Grey im finding it hard to find the sweet spot of when to twist my foot/hips after ive stepped in, I found it hard to learn how to spin my hips when stationary now when im moving in then throwing the cross I find theres less weight on my back foot as I bring that rear foot up and for me when theres less weight on that rear foot I find it hard to rotate my hips with any power. Is it just a case of more practice or am I missing something still?

I have to run into the living room and do the move a couple times to figure out how to answer...Let me start by explaining something about throwing the punch when stationary.
Try this; don't start the straight right off your right foot. Instead, get the weight onto your left leg and start the rotation there. With the left foot flat, use the muscles in the left leg and on the left side to twist your body, like the hinges on a door. Your right foot just rotates in to turn your hip.
Now, with this step...You are propelling your weight forward with your right foot and leg. When it sets on the left leg, the left side of the body again slams the right side forward, but it now has the full motion of the body, the force coming off the right leg, added in as well.
Keep this in mind when you get around to throwing the left hook; it doesn't start on the left leg. It starts when the weight goes onto the right leg, then the muscles on the right side slam the the door. The pivot on the left toe does not initiate the punch, it only facilitates it.
I hope I am making sense?