Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[bradlee180]

Tommy Morrison was a good fighter, certainly Top 5 out of about a thousand licensed Heavyweight boxers. He didn't have that little extra bit of talent that makes a man Top 3 instead of top 5, and Morrison was on steroids.

Plenty of guys in MMA have tested positive, and they were not the outstanding fighters.

EDIT:
"If he used roids", Of course he used them!
From about 1988 till now, for 25 years, he's used them!

[cambay411]

Tommy Morrison was a good fighter, certainly Top 5 out of about a thousand licensed Heavyweight boxers. He didn't have that little extra bit of talent that makes a man Top 3 instead of top 5, and Morrison was on steroids.

Plenty of guys in MMA have tested positive, and they were not the outstanding fighters.

EDIT:
"If he used roids", Of course he used them!
From about 1988 till now, for 25 years, he's used them!

I know Ive read about it, im in denial probably. I mean look at how hes built.

[Mr140]

Yet Holyfeild has never been tested positive for a fight so if he has for 25 years and has not been caught then i am sure ever pro who does not do blood testing is on them. I mean if your career on the line and you can get better why not i honestly think they should be legal because everyone is using anyway. I mean with no retirement plan might as well take what you can get because fans only like you when you win and forget you when you lose. So if your a fighter i can see it being pretty easy chose to make to be honest with you.

[jahmez]

Too many "what ifs" with Tyson. Pretty much excuses for the shortcomings the whole world saw during his career. Its like saying that if Hatton had a better defence he would have beaten Floyd and Manny and thus become an ATG. Truth is he didn't and Mike couldn't overcome his own hubris. That to me is the biggest nail in his coffin, when you try to say that he beats so and so. Ali, Foreman, Marciano, Louis, etc. were deep down bona fide bad motherfuckers and would not fall for all the street bullshit that worked on lesser fighters and carried away fans.

[cambay411]

Too many "what ifs" with Tyson. Pretty much excuses for the shortcomings the whole world saw during his career. Its like saying that if Hatton had a better defence he would have beaten Floyd and Manny and thus become an ATG. Truth is he didn't and Mike couldn't overcome his own hubris. That to me is the biggest nail in his coffin, when you try to say that he beats so and so. Ali, Foreman, Marciano, Louis, etc. were deep down bona fide bad motherfuckers and would not fall for all the street bullshit that worked on lesser fighters and carried away fans.

Cant argue with that really. Doesn't take away from 44 KO's, 23 (I believe) in the first round tho. I don't even think Foreman could match 20+ first round KO's in his 80 fights.

Your right tho about the what if's. What if Tyson was mentally stronger? What if Tyson wouldn't have bit Holyfields ear off? What if Tyson would have came into the first Holyfield fight like he did the second? What if he didn't go to prison?

He could have been much greater that's for sure.

[ray corso]

Hs first round "walking and talking knockouts" were just that!! Hand picked opponents who were doomed!!! If he couldn't dispatch those guys he was taking a step back!!! Alot of his early opponents came from the leading "trial horse" camp in the world!!! Those wins are for a record book, other than reading that crap once their worthless print!! Ray.

[Mr140]

Tyson was good at smashing cans i give him that but he beat some good contenders as well and unified a divsion which is good. He just missd out on his big wins like Holyfeild and Lewis to be top guy of the 90's not to mention the lose to Douglas hurts him kinda bad.