Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[Master]

Prime Foreman would have been a horrible match up for Tyson.

Prime Foreman was raw, slow and one dimensional just as Ali described him as Frankenstein. Tyson would have enjoyed punching at the gaps in his defence.

[cambay411]

Foreman would have caught him coming in just like he did Frazier.

I agree Tyson had better movement and power than Frazier. It wouldn't matter if Foreman moved like Frankenstein, Tyson would come to him. And Forerman would have caught him with his timing.

[cambay411]

Not to mention Foremans footwork was way better than he got credit for.

[ray corso]

I worked with my old friend Cus keeping an eye on Mike & Teddy back when Mike was a J.O amatuer. i worked his corners at the Colo. Springs Olympic Training center and at all the regional tourneys! I know how tall mike was, grew into and weighed!!!!! I weighed him IN at ALL those events!!!

I met Rocky Marciano twice and he was simular to Jack Dempsey who I met twice in that at 5'11 and under 200 as active fighters they both would tower over Mike!!!! Dempsey was atleast 220lbs at 60 yrs old and his appearance was HUGE!! Thick hands and huge shoulders.

Now I'm not getting into a bunch of crap with people who know of these men by reading and pictures!!! I don't care what you think and if you really gave a damn about learning something about these men you'd think you would listen to someone who has met them and in Tysons case knew him personally when he was 14 yrs old till he was 20!!! If this BS styarts on this site too then I'm out of here, I worked in boxing for over 45 years and because my work preceeded the damn net and you kids don't think you know me doesn't mean I didn't happen, get it!!!! You want to talk boxing?
Methods, training, techniques, business, matchmaking, managing?? Just ask, you don't know what I know if you don't want to learn then just avoid my posts but don't think your calling me a liar and not getting your BS called out!!
i post my real name and my location, if you want to sing it just bring it!!! Sooooo tired of these internet people who have never done what they're trying to talk about!!!! Ray Corso

[cambay411]

I worked with my old friend Cus keeping an eye on Mike & Teddy back when Mike was a J.O amatuer. i worked his corners at the Colo. Springs Olympic Training center and at all the regional tourneys! I know how tall mike was, grew into and weighed!!!!! I weighed him IN at ALL those events!!!

I met Rocky Marciano twice and he was simular to Jack Dempsey who I met twice in that at 5'11 and under 200 as active fighters they both would tower over Mike!!!! Dempsey was atleast 220lbs at 60 yrs old and his appearance was HUGE!! Thick hands and huge shoulders.

Now I'm not getting into a bunch of crap with people who know of these men by reading and pictures!!! I don't care what you think and if you really gave a damn about learning something about these men you'd think you would listen to someone who has met them and in Tysons case knew him personally when he was 14 yrs old till he was 20!!! If this BS styarts on this site too then I'm out of here, I worked in boxing for over 45 years and because my work preceeded the damn net and you kids don't think you know me doesn't mean I didn't happen, get it!!!! You want to talk boxing?
Methods, training, techniques, business, matchmaking, managing?? Just ask, you don't know what I know if you don't want to learn then just avoid my posts but don't think your calling me a liar and not getting your BS called out!!
i post my real name and my location, if you want to sing it just bring it!!! Sooooo tired of these internet people who have never done what they're trying to talk about!!!! Ray Corso

That awesome if all this is true.

[p4pking]

I worked with my old friend Cus keeping an eye on Mike & Teddy back when Mike was a J.O amatuer. i worked his corners at the Colo. Springs Olympic Training center and at all the regional tourneys! I know how tall mike was, grew into and weighed!!!!! I weighed him IN at ALL those events!!!

I met Rocky Marciano twice and he was simular to Jack Dempsey who I met twice in that at 5'11 and under 200 as active fighters they both would tower over Mike!!!! Dempsey was atleast 220lbs at 60 yrs old and his appearance was HUGE!! Thick hands and huge shoulders.

Now I'm not getting into a bunch of crap with people who know of these men by reading and pictures!!! I don't care what you think and if you really gave a damn about learning something about these men you'd think you would listen to someone who has met them and in Tysons case knew him personally when he was 14 yrs old till he was 20!!! If this BS styarts on this site too then I'm out of here, I worked in boxing for over 45 years and because my work preceeded the damn net and you kids don't think you know me doesn't mean I didn't happen, get it!!!! You want to talk boxing?
Methods, training, techniques, business, matchmaking, managing?? Just ask, you don't know what I know if you don't want to learn then just avoid my posts but don't think your calling me a liar and not getting your BS called out!!
i post my real name and my location, if you want to sing it just bring it!!! Sooooo tired of these internet people who have never done what they're trying to talk about!!!! Ray Corso

"This BS" probably starts on any site you post like this on, genius. Somehow I doubt you'd be terribly missed anywhere.

[ray corso]

Then again what do you bring to the discussion! Wheres your gym at, who have you worked with? What your name?? Who are you? Ray Corso



who are you the Ghost of Muddy Waters?

[p4pking]

I'm not pretending to be anybody. It's indeed very cool if you have worked with top men in the sport, but there's no need to be such an exclusionary douchebag about it in saying so. Take your blood pressure meds already, yeesh.

[ray corso]

Can't answer my questions about YOU? You want me to respond to you but you have NO answer to me? Take your "dreaming about boxing" pills and stop being such a punk azz kid! irst off my comments weren't directed to you so why confront my legitimacy?
If you want to know some of my knowledge why not think of a some intelligent questions about the sport!! If you can, your probably just another "records reader" or makes comparisons of common opponents!!! Just another mouth flapping in the wind! Ray.

[p4pking]

Can't answer my questions about YOU? You want me to respond to you but you have NO answer to me? Take your "dreaming about boxing" pills and stop being such a punk azz kid! irst off my comments weren't directed to you so why confront my legitimacy?
If you want to know some of my knowledge why not think of a some intelligent questions about the sport!! If you can, your probably just another "records reader" or makes comparisons of common opponents!!! Just another mouth flapping in the wind! Ray.

I didn't claim to be anyone or bring my personal merits into the thread out of the blue for fucks sake. I don't end all of my posts with my real name like a wingnut either. I'm nobody but a boxing fan to anyone here, and I'm sure you know infinitely more about the sport than I do.

I was only commenting on the way you appear to handle perceived conflict, which is extremely counter productive to say the least. People would be a lot more receptive to what you may know if you didn't come across as such a tool.

[bradlee180]

The consistent disrespect shown on Boxing forums is why men on the inside of the sport don't post on forums very much. They figure there's just too many disrespectful idiots on Boxing/MMA forums, PERIOD.


And it's true...

Yet if you find a solid site like the old cyber boxing zone forum (on which the curtain came down recently), the discussion can seem too dry for young fellas...

EDIT:
It's unfortunate. When you get guys that were in camp with Ali, or Frazier, or Hurricane Carter, or Tyson, or whoever, or were refs in high-profile fights, the thing that so many young idiots do in forums is disrespect them and they leave. Men from inside the sport have so many tales to tell, so much information to be had, and for free because they like talkin' Boxing, yet so many young idiots who call themselves Boxing fans cause the inside men to leave because of the young $#!t-snaps' collective consistent disrespect and arrogance...