Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[Master]

Who the fuck did Gene Tunney beat besides Dempsey himself? Greb, a middleweight? Who also beat him? Sheeesh, these old timers get a free pass on everything.

Greb, Dempsey, Carpintier, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons, Battling Levinsky....Tunney fought some good competition.

Not as a heavyweight champion.

[Beanflicker]

Who the fuck did Gene Tunney beat besides Dempsey himself? Greb, a middleweight? Who also beat him? Sheeesh, these old timers get a free pass on everything.

Greb, Dempsey, Carpintier, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons, Battling Levinsky....Tunney fought some good competition.

Not as a heavyweight champion.

That's true.

He was good for his time, but that was the stone age of boxing. It's like comparing an AR-15 to a musket.

[Beanflicker]

Can you imagine transplanting a guy like Tony Tucker back then to fight all those undersized, scared white boys?

[Master]

Can you imagine transplanting a guy like Tony Tucker back then to fight all those undersized, scared white boys?

He probably would not be allowed to fight them because of his colour and then size. Although I would not mind seeing a raw Dempsey try that fought Willard or even Firpo.

[Beanflicker]

If he wouldn't get in there with Harry Wills I doubt he'd feel good about taking on one of the more modern black giants.

I figure if a guy like Frank Bruno was around back then (and the size he was), a lot of those white boxers would have looked for another line of work!

[El Kabong]

If he wouldn't get in there with Harry Wills I doubt he'd feel good about taking on one of the more modern black giants.

I figure if a guy like Frank Bruno was around back then (and the size he was), a lot of those white boxers would have looked for another line of work!

Frank Bruno got as big as he did due to advances in training and most importantly Healthcare. Back in Tunney's day women still drank & smoked and did God knows what else while with child....so yeah IF IF IF all you like but I don't see anyone with a time machine around here

[Beanflicker]

Frank Bruno got as big as he did due to advances in training and most importantly Healthcare. Back in Tunney's day women still drank & smoked and did God knows what else while with child....so yeah IF IF IF all you like but I don't see anyone with a time machine around here

That's true.

Black people are more athletically gifted than white people ON AVERAGE.

[El Kabong]

Who the fuck did Gene Tunney beat besides Dempsey himself? Greb, a middleweight? Who also beat him? Sheeesh, these old timers get a free pass on everything.

Greb, Dempsey, Carpintier, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons, Battling Levinsky....Tunney fought some good competition.

Not as a heavyweight champion.

Tunney was a Lightheavyweight....the fuck dude?

[bradlee180]

Nonsense. Currently, there's not a single black american Heavyweight of note in the world-sport of Boxing even though there's about maybe 20 million black american men.
These non-black fighters of the teens and 20s came from poverty and rough backgrounds. It ain't a fighter's color that makes for a fighter...

[El Kabong]

Nonsense. Currently, there's not a single black american Heavyweight of note in the world-sport of Boxing even though there's about maybe 20 million black american men.
These non-black fighters of the teens and 20s came from poverty and rough backgrounds. It ain't a fighter's color that makes for a fighter...

That and back then you couldn't get paid shit for playing basketball or football it was boxing and baseball in the 1920's & 30's and that was it

[Vendettos]

The irony of a thread called Lets end the Mike Tyson debate, yet it has lasted for 18 pages.

[El Kabong]

The irony of a thread called Lets end the Mike Tyson debate, yet it has lasted for 18 pages.

....so far

[Mr140]

I just say that Tyson was not the smartest fighter in the world because he could not adapt Lewis and Holyfeild could do it. As for Bean the 90's is the other era beside the 70's and Tyson got his ass kick by the top of that era that is the reason i cant put him high in the top ten. As for him beating Holyfeild what a joke he got his ass kick by a Holyfeild with heart problems, older and more battle worn, and also had hep b. Holyfeild was a 20 to 1 underdog and he kick his ass like he owed him some money or something. Tyson is just what ifs Holyfeild, Lewis and Ali didn't need the what if they did.

[Master]

Who the fuck did Gene Tunney beat besides Dempsey himself? Greb, a middleweight? Who also beat him? Sheeesh, these old timers get a free pass on everything.

Greb, Dempsey, Carpintier, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons, Battling Levinsky....Tunney fought some good competition.

Not as a heavyweight champion.

Tunney was a Lightheavyweight....the fuck dude?

Gene was also heavyweight champion, and that is what I am comparing his record too.