Please take the time to do this for you and your families future health.

[VictorCharlie]

You two are veering into Brockton conspiracy area here. GMO foods are responsible for a lot of people in the world not going hungry. I completely understand you wanting to know what goes into your food but the demonizing of Monsanto is out of control. They do have the market on soy beans currently cornered and that is b/c their insect resistant seeds are apparently the shit. Their patent runs out next year so their market share will likely drop. Farmers don't have to use Monsanto beans though and there are other options out there. If they do choose to, they sign a contract stating that they won't use the seeds from their insect resistant crop to grow more soy beans. This seems pretty normal to me otherwise you could buy the seeds once and then never again. This isn't really all that different to me than a Big Pharma spending a ton of money to create a drug and having a patent on it. Agriculture in the US is already big business with companies like Archer Daniel Mills raking in government subsidies that legislators market as helping the family farm. If you want to support the little guy then you have to make an effort to buy from farmers markets and local butchers not grocery store chains.

Good look at some bad anti-gmo science
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...-gmo-activism/

Great look at how regulation hurts our food system
Creating Sustainable Agriculture Without Government Subsidies - Reason.com

[Andre]

I dont trust them mate , I see you point and that is quantity at low monetary cost. But to them the whole thing is about the money markets at any cost, legally bought.

They got one of their men in here into the board of land management here in NSW, he talked up how willow trees were choking out out streams with their roots etc.
Sold the idea that the nsw land department should poison all these trees in the water.
Roundup drilled into trees was the answer to irrigation. Guess what happend to the creeks and rivers on all the bends when big rains hit? People lost land, erosion is now the main problem, but Monsanto stock price went up which was the main exercise.


Thats just one little thing the further you look into them the more you find that is questionable.



Here they are fighting their own old mistakes with new genetic stock:

Monsanto, Dow Crops Face Delays as U.S. Boosts Scrutiny - Bloomberg

You wonder why cancer is rife and increasing, its chemicals coming through your food chain for the sake of money and stocks and shares.

These people have as many chemicals and growth hormones,antibiotics etc running through your soil, your chickens, your plants. Beef is the best natural filter of it so far (for our consumption,safest thing to eat) but its still tainted.

We've already lost a third of the world bees and its on the increase. Independent scientists can only come up with a microbug that is effecting the stomach of the bee and they just die.
The reason the bee cant naturally fend off this old bug is that its immune system has been weakened by agricultural chemicals (made by guess who).they cant point the finger though (we all know what would occur if they did,and they cant afford to go up against someone of that size).

Of course there are paid scientists working on the other side to disprove the independent ones because that kind of info if released and not thwarted in some way would do in the companies market value which again is their whole point.

You dont want these people cornering the market on natural produce grown in commercial quantities on organic ground. If they do this at the root or seed level and are backed by law then we lose our choice; as they will then run the price up to maintain their other major interests.

[Andre]

Obama signs 'Monsanto Protection Act' written by Monsanto-sponsored senator — RT USA


I dont trust him either bro.

[VictorCharlie]

It seems like you are seeing correlation with some of that and assuming causation. I'm no friend of mega agri-business but I also enjoy not paying through the nose for good produce. We try to balance price with desire. When we can afford it we do mostly organic and local. Anyway, I think the scrutiny on Monsanto is justified but the gmo=bad crowd just seems oblivious to the amount of people in the world that don't go hungry b/c of GMO foods. It doesn't help that in the US the anti-GMO crowd is also the anti-vaccine crowd.

[Andre]

Yeah you are right, some people are even anti the non anti and the anti like some hobby.

[Gandalf]

It isn't conpiracy theory and the records show what is happening to the crops produced by farmers and the number of corporations distributing seeds. Corporations are basically taking out patents on crop variations and are trying to stamp out resistance on the part of farmers and it has been happening for 50 years. We are heading towards what is a corporate monopoly on basic seeds, which is very bad news.

As for GM foods helping to stamp out global hunger and keep costs down. Well, 35% price increases over 5 years to people in the West is an awful lot more than that to people in most parts of the world. The corporations have the seeds under wraps and they have also now got the markets in their hands too.

These developments are NOT about stopping people going hungry, they are about control and profit.

[VictorCharlie]

It isn't conpiracy theory and the records show what is happening to the crops produced by farmers and the number of corporations distributing seeds. Corporations are basically taking out patents on crop variations and are trying to stamp out resistance on the part of farmers and it has been happening for 50 years. We are heading towards what is a corporate monopoly on basic seeds, which is very bad news.

As for GM foods helping to stamp out global hunger and keep costs down. Well, 35% price increases over 5 years to people in the West is an awful lot more than that to people in most parts of the world. The corporations have the seeds under wraps and they have also now got the markets in their hands too.

These developments are NOT about stopping people going hungry, they are about control and profit.

What exactly are you talking about in the bolded part? Please provide a link to support it. As a family of 5 we pay close attention to our grocery bill and it hasn't gone up by 35%. Regardless there are a multitude of factors that affect price so suggesting that the overwhelming cause is Agri-Business Conglomerates price gouging farmers seems a bit daft. This article from your countrymen suggests bad weather has a much bigger role.

BBC News - Q&A: Why food prices and fuel costs are going up

As far as the patents go, do you really think a company that spends millions on r&d to create a drought/bug/herbicide resistant seed shouldn't be allowed to maintain some proprietary rights? I'm not naive to think that Monsanto makes these things out of the goodness of their heart but you cannot deny that them and companies like them design seeds/plants that can be grown in places they otherwise either wouldn't at all or wouldn't in the amount they do now which results in a reduction in world hunger.