Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[Beanflicker]

Do you think there is more drug use now than say, before 2000?

Do you think adding more weight divisions has increased or decreased drug use?

Who or what do you think is the main culprit that drives drug use? Money, fighters, trainers, managers, promoters, glory/success/pride, maybe you think the fans have a lot to do with it?

Who do you think should clean it up? Sanctioning orgs, one global org or individual countries?

Do you think drug use and cheating drives the publicity or do you think the publicity drives drug use and cheating? Stupid or asinine question? I think so too, but it seemed like someone was suggestion the latter.

I dunno if you're asking this rhetorically or not but I'm bored at work so I'll answer anyway hahaha

1. I'd say it's been curved a lot since 2000 with the intense pressure by the government and the busting and prosecuting of prominent labs. But a lot of fighters are taking advantage of "hormone replacement therapy", basically you can tell your doctor you feel more tired than usual, less sex drive, ect and he can perscribe you testosterone. As long as you clear it with the athletic sanctioning body, you're good to go.

2. I figure less weight classes would cause guys to use steroids to "grow" into a weight class they couldn't normally get to without them. With more weight classes, there is a class to accomodate everyone.

3. Compeditive, Type A personality people have an insatiable appetite for winning. They use it to win and also to better help them recuperate from boxing's brutal training. I'd say they justify it to themselves with the belief that many others (including their opponent) is using or has access to the same stuff, so in reality they are just leveling the playing field.

4. It's the sanctioning org's responsibility, that's what they get paid for. Our tax dollars go to these guys to regulate sports and keep people from cheating.

5. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by the last question.

That's just my view though!

[Mr140]

I wish they would just legalize it let them all use it i don't think it hurts the sport. I mean its just a enhancer and helps you heal faster and train harder why do we not allow it in sports. I mean don't you want to see home runs or knock outs i mean if everyone is taking it whats the huge deal with it.

[cambay411]

I wish they would just legalize it let them all use it i don't think it hurts the sport. I mean its just a enhancer and helps you heal faster and train harder why do we not allow it in sports. I mean don't you want to see home runs or knock outs i mean if everyone is taking it whats the huge deal with it.

Well let's put aside the negative things it does for the sport, like athletes achieving things they wouldnt normally and not ever really knowing who would have been able to do what without it. I dont want to look at a champ and think, he used roids to get to where hes at. And PED's effect different people in different ways so one person may benifit more from it than another.

Lets put all that side. If PED's were legal we would have athletes using potentially harmful drugs at there will with no constraint. And further more you will have kids looking up to star athletes who use PED's knowing that they use them. Then you will have kids thinking its okay to use PED's.

Speaking as a parent (not to mention an athlete and a sports fan in general) I must say legalizing PED's is a horrible idea.

[beenKOed]

I wish they would just legalize it let them all use it i don't think it hurts the sport. I mean its just a enhancer and helps you heal faster and train harder why do we not allow it in sports. I mean don't you want to see home runs or knock outs i mean if everyone is taking it whats the huge deal with it.

Legalization is the wrong way to go because then it's about who has the most money, knows the best chemist that makes the most effective drugs, that kind of thing.
There are a lot of people who just don't what drugs in their bodies period.

[Mr140]

Holyfeild is top 10 heavyweight of all time master tell me how he can't be with his resume. Also for pound for pound he has to be up there atg because who has come from lhw and done so much at hw. As for Beenko and Cam i understand your points i really do i am not for drugs, well i like to party but a lot of people do so eh. Thing is if boxing is not going to get the testing they need then to be fair they might as well make it legal to use because it be more fair then. I know it may suck but your kids will find out the real world is not a fair place and to get ahead even there hero's will do it because their life is on the line and they don't have much to fall back on after their times up. I don't know a easy fix i am just saying what i think would actually work because the commission is not going to make the drug testing better because they don't give a shit really which sucks as well.

[erics44]

Holyfeild is top 10 heavyweight of all time master tell me how he can't be with his resume. Also for pound for pound he has to be up there atg because who has come from lhw and done so much at hw. As for Beenko and Cam i understand your points i really do i am not for drugs, well i like to party but a lot of people do so eh. Thing is if boxing is not going to get the testing they need then to be fair they might as well make it legal to use because it be more fair then. I know it may suck but your kids will find out the real world is not a fair place and to get ahead even there hero's will do it because their life is on the line and they don't have much to fall back on after their times up. I don't know a easy fix i am just saying what i think would actually work because the commission is not going to make the drug testing better because they don't give a shit really which sucks as well.

roids

[Mr140]

Well to be fair to Holyfeild he was never tested for a fight and never dqed for it so i dont have it against him. As for the roids how do you feel on the subject do you feel heavyweights today use them. Also do you mind if they were to make them legal just wondering never heard your opinion.

[Beanflicker]

Legalization is the wrong way to go because then it's about who has the most money, knows the best chemist that makes the most effective drugs, that kind of thing.
There are a lot of people who just don't what drugs in their bodies period.

That's true, but isn't it already biased towards the rich without drugs being legal?

Wealthy boxers can afford to hire the best personal trainers and nutritionists, buy the best supplements, the best food (eating a lot of healthy food gets very expensive), bringing in the best sparring partners, hiring/getting more attention from the best boxing trainers, training at the best gyms, ect.

There are a lot of fighters (boxing and mma) who are coming up who have to work a full time job to support their boxing, and can only train when they get a chance.

Having more money = more resources and will always be a big advantage, regardless of whether or not drugs are legal.