Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size

[Vendettos]

BOTH Klitschkos, Lennox Lewis, ...... come on, if these guys were even 6 foot 3 like Ali or Holmes, and had say a 79 or 80 inch reach only (rather than their , what, 85 inch reaches?) they wouldn't have been around even half as long as they were.

I am really starting to think that size is all that matters (90% anyway) in the heavyweight division as their is no ceiling there, no higher division they must not weigh into.

Lennox Lewis and the K brothers could block punches from a mile away just by extending their gargantuan arms forward and back peddling at the same time.

Like wise they could land overhand rights from halfway across the ring by throwing the punch and coming forward---the opponent even taking 4 steps backwards would still be on the end of the punch. Look at the punch Lennox Lewis landed on Vitali which cut his eye. He threw it from Mid-Ring and even with Vitali pulling back 3 steps in reverse the punch arched over the ring and came down about 15 feet later like a rainbow zooming in from outer space. If Lewis or Klitschkos had a standard reach of 78 inches or so, half of their punches would not have reached their target.

And as for height---goddamit, lets see most normal-sized fighters try to reach their fucking chins at 6 feet 5 and above.

These fighters would not have been shit were it not for their unusual size. Don't give me examples now of huge fighters who sucked. That will not disprove my points.

Ill try to disprove you.



They were all stopped multiple times during their careers.
Mike Tyson was small.
Joe Fraizer

Wlad has destroyed massive fighters, yet couldn't stop Haye.
Haye owned Valuev.

Vitali has owned massive guys, couldn't stop Chisora.

Theres a mix of things.

Oliver McCall practiced like hell in training to land the right hand that KOd Lewis.

It's all about tactics.

[Violent Demise]

BOTH Klitschkos, Lennox Lewis, ...... come on, if these guys were even 6 foot 3 like Ali or Holmes, and had say a 79 or 80 inch reach only (rather than their , what, 85 inch reaches?) they wouldn't have been around even half as long as they were.

I am really starting to think that size is all that matters (90% anyway) in the heavyweight division as their is no ceiling there, no higher division they must not weigh into.

Lennox Lewis and the K brothers could block punches from a mile away just by extending their gargantuan arms forward and back peddling at the same time.

Like wise they could land overhand rights from halfway across the ring by throwing the punch and coming forward---the opponent even taking 4 steps backwards would still be on the end of the punch. Look at the punch Lennox Lewis landed on Vitali which cut his eye. He threw it from Mid-Ring and even with Vitali pulling back 3 steps in reverse the punch arched over the ring and came down about 15 feet later like a rainbow zooming in from outer space. If Lewis or Klitschkos had a standard reach of 78 inches or so, half of their punches would not have reached their target.

And as for height---goddamit, lets see most normal-sized fighters try to reach their fucking chins at 6 feet 5 and above.

These fighters would not have been shit were it not for their unusual size. Don't give me examples now of huge fighters who sucked. That will not disprove my points.

Ill try to disprove you.



They were all stopped multiple times during their careers.
Mike Tyson was small.
Joe Fraizer

Wlad has destroyed massive fighters, yet couldn't stop Haye.
Haye owned Valuev.

Vitali has owned massive guys, couldn't stop Chisora.

Theres a mix of things.

Oliver McCall practiced like hell in training to land the right hand that KOd Lewis.

It's all about tactics.

He barely edged him on points

[Pavlik]

1. Tony Margarito as a welterweight
2. Brandon Rios as a lightweight and junior welterweight
3. Adrian Broner as a superfeather and lightweight
4. Saul Alvarez as a junior middleweight

[AdamGB]

Forget the differences in weight divisions too...

Doesn't mean much come fight night, when one fighter has rehydrated 4lb and the other fighter has rehydrated 14lb or more...

You've got middles fighting down at Welter and light Heavyweights fighting at middleweight, at least the heavyweight division is honest about it.

[p4pking]

Adam is dead on in both of his posts. Saying Lewis wouldn't have been dominant without his size is just as stupid as saying the same of Ivan Calderon for the most part.

The point about divisions is a crucial one to. Guys who are huge for a weight or have a size advantage on fight night anywhere below HW, do so because they are able to shed water and rehydrate more than their opponent. Everyone is different in that sense, and obviously many guys put themselves in terrible shape doing the same thing that works tremendously for others.

To me there isn't a lot which can be done about this as far as changing the weigh in times etc. Being able to cut weight while retaining power and the ilk is down to a science just like any other aspect of elite training. If some guys are better at it then that is a natural advantage just as being faster or stronger than someone is, at least the way I see it.

[brocktonblockbust]

I say go to my proposal: you create a SuperHeavy Composite INdex based on 3 factors:

whoops I .........wait OK

1. Reach
2. Height
3. Weight

for example, if a guy is above 6'4", has more than 80 inches in reach and weighs over 225 pounds, he would be scoring into the SuperHeavy division on all 3 criteria.

if another guy is 6'7", 85 inch reach but only weighs 210, he would still---by taking the composite of the 3 criteria, qualify into the SuperHeavy division.

but if a guy is 6'2" tall, 78 inch reach and weighs 217 pounds----how the fuck is that a fiar fight against a Lewis or a Klitschko? Thats my point.

[IamInuit]

@brocktonblockbust

I understand the point fundamentally Brockton. Given two men of equal skill and intangibles the bigger man wins. When this is not the case you get the Valuev’s and Carnera’s of the world and once in awhile a guy like Foreman who imo was short on skill but found a way because of his mutant power and sheer will.

It took awhile for Wlad to get on track even with his size and skill set. One little thing like not knowing how to clinch or tie up allowed smaller less skilled guys to get to him. After years of honing his craft he now seems unbeatable albeit against a less then stellar crew of contenders. That’s where your theory may have some traction. How would these talented bigger guys do against a much better crop of smaller guys both skill wise with loads of drive and desire? We don’t have the division to test that hypothesis. Instead Mitchell will become the next challenger. And Lewis had the skill set along with above average power and he got ko’d by two people that couldn’t carry his jock strap. His size and pedigree as a fighter was trumped by his tendency to get lazy with an approach almost like a Rastafarian.

Not a hev but still applicable is Paul Williams. Here is a guy that had every physical advantage you could ask for including the same wing span as both K brothers and yet he fought as if he was 5 foot 5 with a Ricky Hatton reach.

Cool topic

[iwng100]

1. Tony Margarito as a welterweight
2. Brandon Rios as a lightweight and junior welterweight
3. Adrian Broner as a superfeather and lightweight
4. Saul Alvarez as a junior middleweight

I agree.
You can add on the list :
5. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. as a Middleweight
6. Nonito Donaire as a flyweight and bantamweight