Quote Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust View Post
Beanz why are u so extreme? I didnt say you had to agree with Alex Jones or David Reptilian Overlord Icke. Please Beanz, dont put words in my mouth and get your cock out of here too Beanz all I am saying is where is your outrage about the POINTS I and Miles and Jones and whoever else are making? Dont get lost in the Alex Jones or WHOEVER-denigrating, who cares WHICH idiot spoke the truth? My question was what are your thoughts about the whole Snowden thing? Any outrage? Any realization that now this stuff is true? While a few months or years ago when Jones and others was out there shouting like a lunatic about this stuff, that most people said it was all bullshit and untrue?

YOu cannot completely dismiss someone like Jones if he is getting alot of this stuff right. IS he a loudmouth idiot who as Lyle says undermines his own cause? He sure IS. But please, instead of focusing on that view, why not give everyone and anyone (even those we dont like---as I have done with Tyson Fury in another thread) why not be openminded and give some credit where it is due? You're so wanting to dismiss anything for example Jones says, that when he does get some things really right, and get them earlier than most people, you cannot even give him any props for his efforts.

Plus when you do that, you take away the focus on what the actual issues are. Who cares who the messenger was? The message is that Snowden is being hunted down by the US like a fucking dengue mosquito, when in fact he is an American Hero for revealing that the Creeping Surveillance State was well-underway and behind our backs, and to a point and degree that is shocking beyond belief.

Thats all Im saying. So if Tyson Fury had been mouthing off over the past few years that the govt was doing something and indeed it came true, I could care less if I hate the guy or not, Id give him credit for being the first for championing that thing. Thats what Im saying Beanz.


It is almost pointless trying to have a conversation with you on these subjects. I am not putting words on your mouth Alex Jones is. Nearly everything you post on current affairs or politics comes from INFOWARS. How is that open minded? Do you not think that most people have realised that they are being monitored for years ? Jones himself takes away the focus because like Kirkland has already pointed out, the real story is not about the individual, it is about the abuse of power and the controlling hand of vested business. It was the mainstream media in the guise of The Guardian that published on both the Manning and Snowden stories but Assange and Jones have done their best to obfuscate the issues and you and Gandalf are dancing to their tune. Assange refuses to be interviewed unless he is paid handsomely, what does that tell you about his motives ?

How can Snowden be an American hero? I thought America had no ideals worth fighting for?