Congratulations Egypt!

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Yeah how about you congratulate them once they actually figure out how to run a good stable government.

Obama looks like a fucking fool having this happen too....oh yeah he's loved a whole bunch over there, I mean that's what his people told us would happen

how about you get your head out of your arse and learn about democracy that doesn't begin with flag pledge.

Obama has fuck all to do with this and you're sounding like an idiot for bringing him in to this.

[El Kabong]

Yeah how about you congratulate them once they actually figure out how to run a good stable government.

Obama looks like a fucking fool having this happen too....oh yeah he's loved a whole bunch over there, I mean that's what his people told us would happen

how about you get your head out of your arse and learn about democracy that doesn't begin with flag pledge.

Obama has fuck all to do with this and you're sounding like an idiot for bringing him in to this.

Ummm Obama has PLENTY to do with Morsi having been in power and if you don't believe that then it's rather ironic that you called ME an idiot

[Howlin Mad Missy]

and the people got rid of him, you should be pleased

[greynotsoold]

The lesson to be learned is that the power of the people determines the course of their government. Get in the streets and fight.

[X]

The people didn't get rid of Morsi, the army did.

This is a bit of a dilemma: no matter whether we like it or not, the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood were voted into power through Egypt's first ever free elections.

'Some' people (and we have no idea how many, nor what proportion of the population they were, came out on the streets to protest. The Army then intervened and - technically - carried out a military coup.

I'm not sure we would think that was OK usually.

So ...... democracy is a good thing - as long as you vote the right people in. If you make a mistake and vote in a useless government (and I can think of a few times this has happened in Western democracies), then it's OK to act undemocratically in the name of democracy?

Confused

[Howlin Mad Missy]

The people didn't get rid of Morsi, the army did.

This is a bit of a dilemma: no matter whether we like it or not, the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood were voted into power through Egypt's first ever free elections.

'Some' people (and we have no idea how many, nor what proportion of the population they were, came out on the streets to protest. The Army then intervened and - technically - carried out a military coup.

I'm not sure we would think that was OK usually.

So ...... democracy is a good thing - as long as you vote the right people in. If you make a mistake and vote in a useless government (and I can think of a few times this has happened in Western democracies), then it's OK to act undemocratically in the name of democracy?

Confused

um, poll tax?

maybe people should actually listen to the people who live there and not the snippets on the news over here.

The egyptian people acted in a way that probably scares western govts. The way you lot are acting is as if they should have sat back and continue to wreck the country for a few more years?

[El Kabong]

The military (luckily for everyone) seem to have a good grasp of things and aren't overreaching their bounds. They are the sole reason Egypt is not a gigantic clusterfuck right now....granted I would rather the United States not fund them, but I do understand why we're Allied with them more so than the leaders of that country.

The leadership of a nation does not always have complete control over the military, history shows this to be the case more often than not.

[X]

The people didn't get rid of Morsi, the army did.

This is a bit of a dilemma: no matter whether we like it or not, the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood were voted into power through Egypt's first ever free elections.

'Some' people (and we have no idea how many, nor what proportion of the population they were, came out on the streets to protest. The Army then intervened and - technically - carried out a military coup.

I'm not sure we would think that was OK usually.

So ...... democracy is a good thing - as long as you vote the right people in. If you make a mistake and vote in a useless government (and I can think of a few times this has happened in Western democracies), then it's OK to act undemocratically in the name of democracy?

Confused

um, poll tax?

maybe people should actually listen to the people who live there and not the snippets on the news over here.

The egyptian people acted in a way that probably scares western govts. The way you lot are acting is as if they should have sat back and continue to wreck the country for a few more years?

The thing I like about you is that you always have an opinion, and you stand by it.

Other people do too, though

The poll tax was not in any way comparable to what happened in Egypt. I don't recall the Army removing the government?

Incidentally, I lived in the middle east for 12 years, and worked as a Divemaster in Egypt for another 5. I speak fluent Arabic and have many close Egyptian friends all over Egypt who I have been communicating with to check they are OK. I think I know enough about Egypt first hand to have a view as valid as yours

[El Kabong]

and the people got rid of him, you should be pleased

No. Obama hitched his wagon to the Arab Spring and stability was sacrificed for change. I'm not saying Mubarak and his ilk were perfect but #1 30 years worth of Egypt peacefully coexisting with Israel and #2 Egypt isn't a colony of the US they aren't a satellite state of ours how about we not get involved?

All the "anti-Obama" folks knew Morsi was shit and the Muslim Brotherhood was evil and now here we are and yet again Obama looks like a fool and makes the country look foolish too

[Andre]

The middle east is erupting on a few different fronts, Iraqs at it again.

[El Kabong]

The middle east is erupting on a few different fronts, Iraqs at it again.

I'm a little more worried about Turkey because that's heading towards Europe and we don't need further troubles breaking out there.

[brocktonblockbust]

The middle east is erupting on a few different fronts, Iraqs at it again.

I'm a little more worried about Turkey because that's heading towards Europe and we don't need further troubles breaking out there.

thank God I got out of there last year.

[Kirkland Laing]

and the people got rid of him, you should be pleased

No. Obama hitched his wagon to the Arab Spring and stability was sacrificed for change. I'm not saying Mubarak and his ilk were perfect but #1 30 years worth of Egypt peacefully coexisting with Israel and #2 Egypt isn't a colony of the US they aren't a satellite state of ours how about we not get involved?

All the "anti-Obama" folks knew Morsi was shit and the Muslim Brotherhood was evil and now here we are and yet again Obama looks like a fool and makes the country look foolish too

So what you're saying is, the dictatorship that ruled Egypt for decades was a good thing and America should have continued to prop it up even though Egyptians were on the street demanding democratic elections and American foreign policy is supposed to be all about spreading democracy. America should have prevented those elections by some magical means, made all those Egyptians just go home and continue to live under dictatorship.

And even though we've been propping up the previous dictatorship for decades you now think America should not get involved, even though you're blaming Obama for not getting involved to keep the dictatorship in power a couple of years ago. Got it.

[El Kabong]

So what you're saying is, the dictatorship that ruled Egypt for decades was a good thing and America should have continued to prop it up even though Egyptians were on the street demanding democratic elections and American foreign policy is supposed to be all about spreading democracy. America should have prevented those elections by some magical means, made all those Egyptians just go home and continue to live under dictatorship.

And even though we've been propping up the previous dictatorship for decades you now think America should not get involved, even though you're blaming Obama for not getting involved to keep the dictatorship in power a couple of years ago. Got it.

It's what you call a "No win situation" Kirkland. Sure we helped solidify Mubarak's position, but then President Barack Hussein Obama recognized Morsi as President of Egypt and legitimized him.

And how did the Egyptians like that?








Oh they LOVE Obama, I mean he's lowering the levels of the seas and we're loved throughout the world just as Messiah Obama had predicted

Here's a little advice for Barry "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain

[Gandalf]

But you supported a repressive dictator for decades, Lyle. You never had a problem with these dictators and how they 'controlled' the thick ignorant masses until it came to Obama playing the tried and trusted game.