Congratulations Egypt!

[El Kabong]

The United States supported Mubarak, yes?

And then when the people rose up, Obama called for him to step down right?

And then when they had elections Obama stood with the winner Morsi, correct?

Then when there were demonstrators calling for Morsi to step aside Obama said nothing, correct?

And when the military first threatened to overthrow Morsi, Obama told them not to right?

And then when the military was going to do whatever the hell it wanted to Obama told Morsi to step aside, right?


For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone. Obama just thinks his opinion on every damn thing is the most important thing ever...don't be a fair weather supporter of dictators, it's poor form.

It's best for Egypt to have the military in charge, since their revolution it has been all the Egyptians have known.

[Gandalf]

The United States supported Mubarak, yes?

And then when the people rose up, Obama called for him to step down right?

And then when they had elections Obama stood with the winner Morsi, correct?

Then when there were demonstrators calling for Morsi to step aside Obama said nothing, correct?

And when the military first threatened to overthrow Morsi, Obama told them not to right?

And then when the military was going to do whatever the hell it wanted to Obama told Morsi to step aside, right?


For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone. Obama just thinks his opinion on every damn thing is the most important thing ever...don't be a fair weather supporter of dictators, it's poor form.

It's best for Egypt to have the military in charge, since their revolution it has been all the Egyptians have known.

Is this the post I am being referred to? Well, I don't need to nap on it. It is much better than your earlier post and I appreciate it. You have crawled into Chomsky land with some of your statements, and that is pretty cool of you Imo.

[Gandalf]

I fail to see what explaination, I am meant to give. I have been as honest as I can be and struggle to see the explanation I am meant to give. Was it me saying that Lyle was non-patriotic?

[El Kabong]

The United States supported Mubarak, yes?

And then when the people rose up, Obama called for him to step down right?

And then when they had elections Obama stood with the winner Morsi, correct?

Then when there were demonstrators calling for Morsi to step aside Obama said nothing, correct?

And when the military first threatened to overthrow Morsi, Obama told them not to right?

And then when the military was going to do whatever the hell it wanted to Obama told Morsi to step aside, right?


For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone. Obama just thinks his opinion on every damn thing is the most important thing ever...don't be a fair weather supporter of dictators, it's poor form.

It's best for Egypt to have the military in charge, since their revolution it has been all the Egyptians have known.

Is this the post I am being referred to? Well, I don't need to nap on it. It is much better than your earlier post and I appreciate it. You have crawled into Chomsky land with some of your statements, and that is pretty cool of you Imo.

No....no it isn't.

And Chomsky is a sniveling little twat defending "Speech codes"...here's some Free Speech for him, FUCK HIM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON!

[Kirkland Laing]

The United States supported Mubarak, yes?

And then when the people rose up, Obama called for him to step down right?

And then when they had elections Obama stood with the winner Morsi, correct?

Then when there were demonstrators calling for Morsi to step aside Obama said nothing, correct?

And when the military first threatened to overthrow Morsi, Obama told them not to right?

And then when the military was going to do whatever the hell it wanted to Obama told Morsi to step aside, right?


For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone. Obama just thinks his opinion on every damn thing is the most important thing ever...don't be a fair weather supporter of dictators, it's poor form.

It's best for Egypt to have the military in charge, since their revolution it has been all the Egyptians have known.

No, this is your own idea of history and has no basis in reality. Obama did everything he could to support Mubarak including shipping in quantities of riot control gear to help the regime stay in power. This backfired when US-manufacured tear gas canisters were photographed by the protestors and put on the internet. America's official position was that they were "taking no sides" between the dictatorship and the unarmed protestors. Obama was criticised by opportunistic GOP politicians at the time for supporting dictatorship ahead of democracy.

Joe Biden says Egypt's Mubarak no dictator, he shouldn't step down... - CSMonitor.com


And yes, Obamarecognised the democratically-elected winner of democratic elections. You're still refusing to explain what else he could have done.

Obama didn't tell the Egyptian military not to overthrow Morsi. When Mubarak lost power America sent billions of dollars and political consultants to help mould politicians they like and to make them popular in Egypt. In conjunction with the Saudis, who own most Egyptian media, America has been working with the Egyptian army who own a big chunk of Egyptian business to undermine Morsi, make pro-America/Israel politicians popular and create the conditions that led to the current coup.

So as usual you're completely fucking wrong about everything.

[El Kabong]

No, this is your own idea of history and has no basis in reality. Obama did everything he could to support Mubarak including shipping in quantities of riot control gear to help the regime stay in power. This backfired when US-manufacured tear gas canisters were photographed by the protestors and put on the internet. America's official position was that they were "taking no sides" between the dictatorship and the unarmed protestors. Obama was criticised by opportunistic GOP politicians at the time for supporting dictatorship ahead of democracy.

Joe Biden says Egypt's Mubarak no dictator, he shouldn't step down... - CSMonitor.com


And yes, Obamarecognised the democratically-elected winner of democratic elections. You're still refusing to explain what else he could have done.

Obama didn't tell the Egyptian military not to overthrow Morsi. When Mubarak lost power America sent billions of dollars and political consultants to help mould politicians they like and to make them popular in Egypt. In conjunction with the Saudis, who own most Egyptian media, America has been working with the Egyptian army who own a big chunk of Egyptian business to undermine Morsi, make pro-America/Israel politicians popular and create the conditions that led to the current coup.

So as usual you're completely fucking wrong about everything.

Oh you got me...JOE BIDEN said something well let me just change everything I wrote I mean JOE BIDEN is such a fucking genius that's why he's allowed to speak for Obama all the time right?



"White House plans to keep up the pressure on Hosni Mubarak".......hmmmm yes, that sounds exactly like support doesn't it?

[Kirkland Laing]

Obama's official position was that Mubarak had to listen to the people and make concessions to their demands -- but to stay in power. And he did everything he could to keep Mubarak in power.

So what could Obama have done other than recognise the recognised winner of the democratic election? And exactly what the fuck does this mean :

For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone.

One minute you're saying Obama should ignore Egypt, the next minute you're saying he should refuse to recognise a democratically elected leader and keep the army in power. Are you syure your Obama hatred hasn't just shorted your brainb?

[El Kabong]

Obama's official position was that Mubarak had to listen to the people and make concessions to their demands -- but to stay in power. And he did everything he could to keep Mubarak in power.

So what could Obama have done other than recognise the recognised winner of the democratic election? And exactly what the fuck does this mean :

For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone.

One minute you're saying Obama should ignore Egypt, the next minute you're saying he should refuse to recognise a democratically elected leader and keep the army in power. Are you syure your Obama hatred hasn't just shorted your brainb?

Oh you know Obama's official position do you? Impressive....not what I saw/heard him say on the video but hey whatever don't let that stop you from ONCE AGAIN SUPPORTING OBAMA

How about nothing? Nothing is an option is it not? Just be like "I run the US, not Egypt, I have no say in what happens there, but they are an ally and we wish them the best"....how's that?

Hamas was democratically elected to run the Gaza strip aren't recognized by the US...so it's not like NOT recognizing a country with a bad choice of leadership (even if democratically elected) is anything new to the US.

And see here's the MAIN fucking issue, everyone that will say "Well the US should keep to itself" yeah and then the world starts asking questions and demanding answers....how about the rest of the world try to solve a few problems huh?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

..also no baiting, there's enough of that on the forum. As thread bitch, yes, I'm playing hell with my big mod stick, but cut this shit out or you will be on the naughty step.

This thread was to bring attention to what is going on in egypt now, not to get in to shit about trade agreements/chomsky etc. It is about the biased reporting, it is about how the western media seems to have taken the muslim brotherhood's POV, case in point, western press reported that protesters stormed the/a MB building...what they failed to report it was stormed AFTER shots were fired out from that building in to the crowd.

[Kirkland Laing]

I've mentioned how in the buildup/start of the Iraq war all US TV channels had an American flag superimposed on the screen and a patriotic tagline running above the ticker. Currently all Egyptian TV channels have a little Egyptian flag and slogans like "United Against Terrorism" on the screen. US political consultants have obviously been busy.

The Muslim Brotherhood have gone from being the democratically elected government of Egypt to terrorists in the space of a week. They're going to be banned from any elections and new undemocratic elections will produce a US/army-approved puppet government backed by Saudi/Gulf money that's a front for the army dictatorship that has ruled the country for ahlf a century.

In the last election 50% of the country voted for the Brotherhood and another 25% voted for the even more conservative Salafist Nour party. Clearly the vast majority of Egyptian voters are religious conservatives. They're now being given an object lesson that democracy isn't something they're allowed to have and that the superpower propping up the dictatorship that represses them fears and hates them and will never see them as anything except a threat. Them and their brethren all over the Arab and Muslim world. This is only going to create new terrorism and terrorist attacks. Plus what happens in Egypt when the new government turns out to be Mubrarak redux?

Two good articles to read about what's happening in Egypt :

The apparently miraculous end to the crippling energy shortages, and the re-emergence of the police, seems to show that the legions of personnel left in place after former President Hosni Mubarak was ousted in 2011 played a significant role — intentionally or not — in undermining the overall quality of life under the Islamist administration of Mr. Morsi.

Working behind the scenes, members of the old establishment, some of them close to Mr. Mubarak and the country’s top generals, also helped finance, advise and organize those determined to topple the Islamist leadership, including Naguib Sawiris, a billionaire and an outspoken foe of the Brotherhood; Tahani El-Gebali, a former judge on the Supreme Constitutional Court who is close to the ruling generals; and Shawki al-Sayed, a legal adviser to Ahmed Shafik, Mr. Mubarak’s last prime minister, who lost the presidential race to Mr. Morsi.

[…]




While he failed to broaden his appeal and build any kind of national consensus, he also faced an active campaign by those hostile to his leadership, including some of the wealthiest and most powerful pillars of the Mubarak era.
Mr. Sawiris, one of Egypt’s richest men and a titan of the old establishment, said Wednesday that he had supported an upstart group called “tamarrod,” Arabic for “rebellion,” that led a petition drive seeking Mr. Morsi’s ouster. He donated use of the nationwide offices and infrastructure of the political party he built, the Free Egyptians. He provided publicity through his popular television network and his major interest in Egypt’s largest private newspaper. He even commissioned the production of a popular music video that played heavily on his network.
“Tamarrod did not even know it was me!” he said. “I am not ashamed of it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/wo...?smid=tw-share

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