Deonty wilder and other american hw's

[IamInuit]

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Deonty definitely needs to fight some contenders in order to get me excited. At this point I don't think much of him. The US could use a good heavyweight, it's been a while.



WHY DO YOU NOT THINK MUCH OF HIM? AGAIN, COMPARE TO TYSONS REUME AND EVEN FOREMAN AND MANY FIGHTERS?

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I can see the point you are making. Tyson fought a lot worse competition in his first 25 or so but he did it rapidly and then made it count when he got his opportunity and the same can be said about Foreman who fought slugs up until the first Frazier fight. So in that sense the comparison is valid.

He's a dangerous guy with that kind of power behind that reach and height but he's a wild man although in fairness he only goes wild once he buzzes somebody. The potential is most definitely there but unfortunately for him he seems to be still developing while at the same time having high expectations placed on him because of the coverage.

He's now called out the brothers and wants them he says before they retire. Well that should not be all that hard in this market. He should plunk his ass down at ring side for the Povetkin fight and then call Wlad out on the broadcast. I dont think Vitali wants to fight anymore. Fighting Oleg Maskaev does nothing for him. They keep saying they want rounds and keep fighting people who cant provide them.

[Beanflicker]

I think Foreman's point was that Andy Ruiz stepped up and destroyed a fellow young, prime undefeated prospect. While Audley Harrison and Liakovich are much more established names than Joe Hanks, the fact is that Audley is 41 and long been considered a joke, and Liakovich had been on a steady decline for 7 years and hadn't won a serious fight since he beat Brewster in '06.

I think thats one thing boxing is missing: the young prospects don't often end up fighting each other. Too many times they feast on stiffs and journeymen, and then move on to has-beens, and then they get the big money fight. These guys should have to fight each other for the priviledge of fighting a Klitschko.

[Beanflicker]

Personally, I think Deontay kills Andy Ruiz. I don't think that's a compeditive fight.

Deontay's resume may not be the greatest, but he has UNDENIABLE physical tools and IMO he has shown boxing skill to go along with it.

Now how is he going to do when a guy stands up to his power and hits him back? Who knows. But Deontay has the potential to be the guy to carry HW boxing in the post-Klitschko era. He is a monster, soft opposition or not.

[Dark Lord Al]

If Wilder can take a good shot , he could be a big force.

[IamInuit]

Personally, I think Deontay kills Andy Ruiz. I don't think that's a compeditive fight.

Deontay's resume may not be the greatest, but he has UNDENIABLE physical tools and IMO he has shown boxing skill to go along with it.

Now how is he going to do when a guy stands up to his power and hits him back? Who knows. But Deontay has the potential to be the guy to carry HW boxing in the post-Klitschko era. He is a monster, soft opposition or not.

Exactly.

And that's why they fight after all. Cleverly is a living, breathing example of what you said and what I have said hundreds of times. Its hard to be on a bit of a downer so early after such a great weekend of fisticuffs but that's the truth of it. Poor kid almost sounds suicidal. That's because he was kept in the dark and fed shit all day from those around him. Probably hasn't heard the word "no" in 5 years.
To many belts, to few money spots, to much emphasis on the 0. That is why at times I get a little pissed off with some of the old vs new comparisons and when people look at the 20 loses on the scratching post and ignore the 200 plus fights or 150 fights. You fight that often and you are going to lose. You might even lose to a sub-par opponent. Better to deal with adversity early.

Having said all that these poor bastards are products of their environment.

[Kirkland Laing]

He could definitely be the American Nathan Cleverly. We have to wait until he gets in the ring with somebody decent and they hit him on the chin. But there's that huge right hand and you can only be hopeful that he can take a punch, flattens everybody and brings some excitement and some mainstream coverage back to boxing.

[Spicoli]

I'll buy into him the one time yet to be seen when he faces a fresh viable talent and adversity and conquers it. Ruiz may not be the second coming either, but at least he has done that. Anyone with eyeballs can look at an early Tyson and see Wilder hasn't shown half that physical speed and ability while dispatching of his early cannon fodder. Did anyone actually watch him in the Audley set up?! There is zero comparison. Show us something , until then its all might, maybe, if, could, when, and hope.

[Rantcatrat]

Personally, I think Deontay kills Andy Ruiz. I don't think that's a compeditive fight.

Deontay's resume may not be the greatest, but he has UNDENIABLE physical tools and IMO he has shown boxing skill to go along with it.

Now how is he going to do when a guy stands up to his power and hits him back? Who knows. But Deontay has the potential to be the guy to carry HW boxing in the post-Klitschko era. He is a monster, soft opposition or not.

Exactly.

And that's why they fight after all. Cleverly is a living, breathing example of what you said and what I have said hundreds of times. Its hard to be on a bit of a downer so early after such a great weekend of fisticuffs but that's the truth of it. Poor kid almost sounds suicidal. That's because he was kept in the dark and fed shit all day from those around him. Probably hasn't heard the word "no" in 5 years.
To many belts, to few money spots, to much emphasis on the 0. That is why at times I get a little pissed off with some of the old vs new comparisons and when people look at the 20 loses on the scratching post and ignore the 200 plus fights or 150 fights. You fight that often and you are going to lose. You might even lose to a sub-par opponent. Better to deal with adversity early.

Having said all that these poor bastards are products of their environment.

I don't really know how anyone could say that Wilder kills Ruiz when Ruiz has been matched tougher than Wilder has. The primary reason that people are skeptical on Wilder is that he has been matched so soft.

I don't even think I would put him in with world beaters at this stage, but how can he improve if he isn't facing someone that is already finished. For example, I'm not suggesting that he get in the ring with Pulev tomorrow. However, there are a ton of heavyweights that they could match him with that would better demonstrate where Wilder's potential lies. Spzilka, Kaufmann, Grano, Hanks, Hamer, Jennings, Mansour, Glazkov, perhaps Chagaev. These guys aren't the top of the division by any means, but at least they are in their prime with winning records. They'll punch back.

[Kirkland Laing]

Twenty nine or thirty fights now and he's still fighting tomato cans. Unfortunately there's probably a good reason why.

[Beanflicker]

I don't really know how anyone could say that Wilder kills Ruiz when Ruiz has been matched tougher than Wilder has.

At the end of the day, a resume is only a paper trail. It's two men going into the ring. You don't win a fight by having the best resume.

And it's not like we're talking about a huge difference in resumes. They've both been feeding off bums for the most part. All Ruiz has is one win over an undefeated prospect.

[Rantcatrat]

I don't really know how anyone could say that Wilder kills Ruiz when Ruiz has been matched tougher than Wilder has.

At the end of the day, a resume is only a paper trail. It's two men going into the ring. You don't win a fight by having the best resume.

And it's not like we're talking about a huge difference in resumes. They've both been feeding off bums for the most part. All Ruiz has is one win over an undefeated prospect.

That's fair, but Ruiz is incredibly unheralded compared with Wilder. If Wilder is as good as they say he is, why haven't they challenged him more? Now, this might be a case of too much hype, too soon. He didn't have a big amateur career etc. That's fine. I guess this is the perfect example of backlash to hype. It's like when Broner's hype train slowed way down after his fight with Paulie Malignaggi. If they weren't making him out to be the next Floyd Mayweather, we would think he was a developing fighter on his way, but making him out to be the next great thing, sort of soured people's view on him once he had some difficulty from a passed his prime, light-punching fighter.