Britain detains Glenn Grenwald's partner under the terrorism act

[Gandalf]

Nice one Britain. Even the fucking Mafia don't target each other's families.

They hate us for our freedoms you know.

The justification for the behavior is ridiciculous. It's almost they have a pre written script of 'Lives will be put in danger, it is a matter of urgent national security' etc. Right, so you can storm around like the stormtroopers, smash up computers, detain people randomly and for something nothing to do with terrorism.

If these fuckers in charge would just stop lying, manipulating and just be a bit more transparent, then dialogue can happen and progress, but made. But they dig their heels in with the 'many people will die' spiel and no line of discussion can be made.

Any ideas I had of just going home for a trip are gone, I would much rather ask my family to come out here instead where you get none of the hassle of travelling through a British airport.

Currently we have the Guardian being told to destroy evidence on harddrives, Manning who revealed war crimes in jail for 90 years, Snowden in Russia because a fair trial is impossible in such a loaded environment, and of course Assange locked in an embassy, with a permanent convoy of police paid for by the general public.

What a fucking charade we have and all because the agencies, using British taxpayers money think they have a right to snoop on everything you do. Nobody agrees with that. Britain survived the IRA and with less surveillance I am sure we can survive a pretty invisible Al Quaeda. However, that is if you believe that is why we are being spied on so blanketly.

[Kirkland Laing]

Nice one Britain. Even the fucking Mafia don't target each other's families.

They hate us for our freedoms you know.

The justification for the behavior is ridiciculous. It's almost they have a pre written script of 'Lives will be put in danger, it is a matter of urgent national security' etc. Right, so you can storm around like the stormtroopers, smash up computers, detain people randomly and for something nothing to do with terrorism.

If these fuckers in charge would just stop lying, manipulating and just be a bit more transparent, then dialogue can happen and progress, but made. But they dig their heels in with the 'many people will die' spiel and no line of discussion can be made.

Any ideas I had of just going home for a trip are gone, I would much rather ask my family to come out here instead where you get none of the hassle of travelling through a British airport.

Currently we have the Guardian being told to destroy evidence on harddrives, Manning who revealed war crimes in jail for 90 years, Snowden in Russia because a fair trial is impossible in such a loaded environment, and of course Assange locked in an embassy, with a permanent convoy of police paid for by the general public.

What a fucking charade we have and all because the agencies, using British taxpayers money think they have a right to snoop on everything you do. Nobody agrees with that. Britain survived the IRA and with less surveillance I am sure we can survive a pretty invisible Al Quaeda. However, that is if you believe that is why we are being spied on so blanketly.

It's all bullshit. Jounalism is now a terrorist act. You've got media corporations in America now pushing the US government to class people torrenting Game of Thrones as terrorists, because terrorists are making money from online piracy thus anybody pirating is helping terrorism.

Every single piece of internet communication is being recorded and stored indefinitely. It's only a matter of time till governments have total access to everybody's information at any time.

[Kirkland Laing]

European corporations too :

Copyright Infringement Is Being Treated as Terrorism | The Big Picture

[Gandalf]

It seems that The Independent newspaper is embroiling itself in black propaganda and is acting as a British government mouthpiece. It's a shame as the Independent has always presented itself as one of the better British mainstream publications. However, with this latest muckraking it seems that they have either been duped or are acting with the government in a damage limitation exercise. Either way, I don't think I trust them. Make up your own minds. Here is the Independent article and what The Guardian had to say in response.

Exclusive: UK’s secret Mid-East internet surveillance base is revealed in Edward Snowden leaks - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

Snowden: UK government now leaking documents about itself | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.com

Quite frankly, I don't think you can believe a single word that the British or American governments have to say on these issues. They exist on a temerous fiber and they will lie and manipulate in order to prevent tremors within the fiber. It boggles my mind why the rebellion is still waiting to kick off. They will do anything to maintain strict control and just like in America, the media in the UK is, to an unhealthy degree, an obedient and compliant one. Unfortunately, the Independent has likely shown itself to be much like the rest. It isn't just the Independent that has been having crafty digs at the work The Guardian has been doing and The Guardian needs to be applauded and commended and encouraged.