Impeach Obama

[SugarBoxing]

Jesus, has nothing to do with this. I am sorry about that, so how about just getting rid of Obama instead?

and then what? 8 years ago or so, you wanted to get rid of Bush...
There is a clear decline, you cannot fix it by dealing with the branches, you gotta dig for the root
It is time to ask fundamental questions, pal...

You need to ... to teach whoever comes next not to follow any of these lines.

How?

By being a decent person who will reign in the out of control authorities we have. Many more limits should be imposed and people should be left to enjoy their freedoms. Most of us are causing no real harm on the internet, we are simply encourageing discussion.

Cursed is the man who trusts in men. It is fundamental, just study history
We are living in the end time, it will get only worse ... for unbelievers

Are you trolling as an NSA lunatic? You say very odd things.

Better odd than trivial naive stuff: "lets educate our future president and make him decent man" from your side

[Gandalf]

Jesus, has nothing to do with this. I am sorry about that, so how about just getting rid of Obama instead?

and then what? 8 years ago or so, you wanted to get rid of Bush...
There is a clear decline, you cannot fix it by dealing with the branches, you gotta dig for the root
It is time to ask fundamental questions, pal...

You need to ... to teach whoever comes next not to follow any of these lines.

How?

By being a decent person who will reign in the out of control authorities we have. Many more limits should be imposed and people should be left to enjoy their freedoms. Most of us are causing no real harm on the internet, we are simply encourageing discussion.

Cursed is the man who trusts in men. It is fundamental, just study history
We are living in the end time, it will get only worse ... for unbelievers

Are you trolling as an NSA lunatic? You say very odd things.

Better odd than trivial naive stuff: "lets educate our future president and make him decent man" from your side

Well, not really. You don't make any sense to me. I said lets have impeachment as a means of urging the new face not to repeat the tragedies and crimes of Obama.

[SugarBoxing]

Jesus, has nothing to do with this. I am sorry about that, so how about just getting rid of Obama instead?

and then what? 8 years ago or so, you wanted to get rid of Bush...
There is a clear decline, you cannot fix it by dealing with the branches, you gotta dig for the root
It is time to ask fundamental questions, pal...

You need to ... to teach whoever comes next not to follow any of these lines.

How?

By being a decent person who will reign in the out of control authorities we have. Many more limits should be imposed and people should be left to enjoy their freedoms. Most of us are causing no real harm on the internet, we are simply encourageing discussion.

Cursed is the man who trusts in men. It is fundamental, just study history
We are living in the end time, it will get only worse ... for unbelievers

Are you trolling as an NSA lunatic? You say very odd things.

Better odd than trivial naive stuff: "lets educate our future president and make him decent man" from your side

Well, not really. You don't make any sense to me. I said lets have impeachment as a means of urging the new face not to repeat the tragedies and crimes of Obama.

ok, I got your point now
my point is that it is not constructive, are basically repeating the scenario with Bush, but apparently, Obama was not urged by that and he repeated worse tragedies and crimes than Bush already

If you do not accept Jesus, lets cite Einstein: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

[superheavyrhun]

Miles. Go take your meds.

[Gandalf]

Miles. Go take your meds.

Ha, why? Have I said anything that doesn't make sense? NVsemin gets the pass, whilst I who have the temerity to argue that this President has been just as damaging as Nixon, am told to munch some pills. It is the typical deflection made by people and individuals. Ignore the issues completely, and just tell the instigator that they are mad. Tee hee hee. Just 3 months things that me and Brockton were saying were labelled mad and conspiracy or else extreme, and here we are today with the issues at the forefront and everything having been proven largely correct. I get no satisfaction from it though as it is very fucked up and that is why Obama should be impeached and this cancerous NSA beurocracy needs to radiated to a controllable size.

I still don't understand where NVsemin was coming from. Einstein and Jesus don't have a role to play in any of this. If Obama goes down then obviously the entire Bush team needs to come down too. Obama has admitted that he won't get involved in Syria as it is legally questionable. He has basically admitted that Bush and his temerous evidence, lack of a UN mandate and the resulting slaughter and lies that took place in Iraq was a war crime. Obama breaks the constitution in spying on people in their home, that alone is impeachable. Obama kills without trial, got involved in Libya....you know the drill, there are so many things to go at him for.

[Scrap]

Nothing to do with the President, whoever it is. He like everyone, is told what to do by the German, moneymen. Well they began in Germany .

[Beanz]

Jesus, has nothing to do with this. I am sorry about that, so how about just getting rid of Obama instead?

and then what? 8 years ago or so, you wanted to get rid of Bush...
There is a clear decline, you cannot fix it by dealing with the branches, you gotta dig for the root
It is time to ask fundamental questions, pal...

You need to ... to teach whoever comes next not to follow any of these lines.

How?

By being a decent person who will reign in the out of control authorities we have. Many more limits should be imposed and people should be left to enjoy their freedoms. Most of us are causing no real harm on the internet, we are simply encourageing discussion.

Cursed is the man who trusts in men. It is fundamental, just study history
We are living in the end time, it will get only worse ... for unbelievers

Are you trolling as an NSA lunatic? You say very odd things.

Better odd than trivial naive stuff: "lets educate our future president and make him decent man" from your side

Well, not really. You don't make any sense to me. I said lets have impeachment as a means of urging the new face not to repeat the tragedies and crimes of Obama.

ok, I got your point now
my point is that it is not constructive, are basically repeating the scenario with Bush, but apparently, Obama was not urged by that and he repeated worse tragedies and crimes than Bush already

If you do not accept Jesus, lets cite Einstein: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Einstein also said this

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

and this

""From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being." ~Albert Einstein, from "Skeptic" vol. 5, no. 2, 1997, pp. 62ff.


and this

"I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

"I can not accept any concept of God based on the fear of life or the fear of death or blind faith. I can not prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him I would be a liar."

"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."

[SugarBoxing]

Einstein also said this

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

and this

""From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being." ~Albert Einstein, from "Skeptic" vol. 5, no. 2, 1997, pp. 62ff.


and this

"I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

"I can not accept any concept of God based on the fear of life or the fear of death or blind faith. I can not prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him I would be a liar."

"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."

Ok, it was a standing ten count. Then I covered up and started back pedaling before the round end. Now I need to listen what my coach says in my corner.

[CFH]

Einstein also said this

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

and this

""From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being." ~Albert Einstein, from "Skeptic" vol. 5, no. 2, 1997, pp. 62ff.


and this

"I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

"I can not accept any concept of God based on the fear of life or the fear of death or blind faith. I can not prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him I would be a liar."

"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."

Good stuff.

[Beanz]

Einstein also said this

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

and this

""From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being." ~Albert Einstein, from "Skeptic" vol. 5, no. 2, 1997, pp. 62ff.


and this

"I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

"I can not accept any concept of God based on the fear of life or the fear of death or blind faith. I can not prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him I would be a liar."

"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."

Good stuff.

Bloody Genius Old Bert he was.

[walrus]

The only bad thing about impeaching Obama would be having Biden become President.

[Gandalf]

Eight years of Bush, what is Biden for two?

The US has invaded countries, spies on the world, tortures, kills, it isn't all that far away from the worst of the despotic states. The other despotic states certainly keep the laundry at home and seldom kidnap people in Libya, listen to Angela Merkel in private conversations, use drones, or have people locked up in Embassies via proxy states, etc etc.

When is enough enough? My allegations about America have only ever become more true with time. It is almost as though I am writing the history for them just to prove me right. It is too easy.

[walrus]

I am not looking for an argument as I am not into, I disagree with some of what you say but I won't say it is all wrong. As you know I am an American. I find one our bigger atrocities to be how our Supreme Court has been interpreting the Constitution. It opens the door to too much of this BS. I won't list cases as foreigners are probably not familiar with our internal affairs to such an extent. Unfortunately just about every President we have ever had lies and misleads. Both parties. If you can find me an honest politician in the world I will name my next cat after you. Every country has blood on its hands, and I am not using that as an excuse, just the truth. Certain parts of the American experiment has worked out well, a lot have not. I think one of our biggest problems is apathy. We just accept what they do. Look at the voting percentages, half the country doesn't even bother to vote. One of the best thing I can say about America is most of our politicians of great hair. Don't think for a minute that Americans our not aware of our problems. There are many here who make you look proamerican. Although you feel you wrote our history before it happens it has been done here by many authors long before you, and I don't say that as an insult

[Kirkland Laing]

It'd be great if they actually released the files on world leaders. Berlusconi's phone taps would be amazing. You just know there's a giant file on Berlusconi's sex life on Glenn Greenwald's laptop.

[Gandalf]

I am not looking for an argument as I am not into, I disagree with some of what you say but I won't say it is all wrong. As you know I am an American. I find one our bigger atrocities to be how our Supreme Court has been interpreting the Constitution. It opens the door to too much of this BS. I won't list cases as foreigners are probably not familiar with our internal affairs to such an extent. Unfortunately just about every President we have ever had lies and misleads. Both parties. If you can find me an honest politician in the world I will name my next cat after you. Every country has blood on its hands, and I am not using that as an excuse, just the truth. Certain parts of the American experiment has worked out well, a lot have not. I think one of our biggest problems is apathy. We just accept what they do. Look at the voting percentages, half the country doesn't even bother to vote. One of the best thing I can say about America is most of our politicians of great hair. Don't think for a minute that Americans our not aware of our problems. There are many here who make you look proamerican. Although you feel you wrote our history before it happens it has been done here by many authors long before you, and I don't say that as an insult

Walrus, your country is spying on its own allies. It is spying on communications the world over. It is highlighting keywords of anything that anyone critical is saying. Your country is vanishing people, torturing people, making up lies to invade, droning. In many respects, I couldn't care less about America. Those people on high are scum. My only problem is that it is trying to play policeman and is the bankrobber in the room. 'Iran, we cannot let you have nukes, but yes, Israel will build more settlements, and we will nuke you if you don't agree'. The rhetoric is insane.

It is nothing against any American person, and I know that so many of you are adorable and beautiful people and I mean that. I upset people with my views though. I know that I am on the same side as most of you though. It's the same side really.