Fury is going to shock us against Haye!

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Cunningham is the best fighter he's faced though, and his last fight. Rogan and Johnson are garbage and no barometer of anything. I like Fury, just don't think he can avoid or take Hayes punch.

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Cunningham is the best fighter he's faced though, and his last fight. Rogan and Johnson are garbage and no barometer of anything. I like Fury, just don't think he can avoid or take Hayes punch.

I dont think he could take a full on shot from Haye either. Hes just got to fight alot smarter and he is capable of that.

I see Haye as a bit like Mosely. He has fast powerfull hands but thats it. He doesnt move his head or have any real defence. His success has come against fighters that have been a bitintimidated by his speed but at the same time Haye has fought BIG men like hes intimidated of their size.

Chisora pushed him well and if he hadnt have opened up it was only a mater of a round or two before Haye fell apart. Chisora got careless as I reckon he could feel Haye slowing.

Tyson is still learning with each fight. Every fighter he faces hes picking something up in regards to experience and poise. Fury is better than Chisora and beating Chisora the way Haye did has masked how vulnerable he was looking. Tyson getting dropped by Cunningham has masked an excellent result.

I also agree that Fury is not going to be the most gracefull or skilled heavy but right now with whats out there hes as good as anyone and his size, awkwardness and willingness to let his hands go is far more enjoyable to watch than the other boring plodders.

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Cunningham is the best fighter he's faced though, and his last fight. Rogan and Johnson are garbage and no barometer of anything. I like Fury, just don't think he can avoid or take Hayes punch.

I dont think he could take a full on shot from Haye either. Hes just got to fight alot smarter and he is capable of that.

I see Haye as a bit like Mosely. He has fast powerfull hands but thats it. He doesnt move his head or have any real defence. His success has come against fighters that have been a bitintimidated by his speed but at the same time Haye has fought BIG men like hes intimidated of their size.

Chisora pushed him well and if he hadnt have opened up it was only a mater of a round or two before Haye fell apart. Chisora got careless as I reckon he could feel Haye slowing.

Tyson is still learning with each fight. Every fighter he faces hes picking something up in regards to experience and poise. Fury is better than Chisora and beating Chisora the way Haye did has masked how vulnerable he was looking. Tyson getting dropped by Cunningham has masked an excellent result.

I also agree that Fury is not going to be the most gracefull or skilled heavy but right now with whats out there hes as good as anyone and his size, awkwardness and willingness to let his hands go is far more enjoyable to watch than the other boring plodders.

i'm not sure I agree with a lot you have said there ross

haye has a very good defence for a heavyweight

chisora wasn't in the fight at all with haye, although he made it exciting by keeping moving forward

and im not sure Tyson is so much better than chisora, if the two fought again I think it would be a very different fight, first time fury got away with it because chisora didn't put the effort in

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Chisora did what he could with what he has. Fury has also come on leaps and bounds since then whereas Chisora is still fighting the same. Fury is also in far better shape now.

Haye does not have a great defence. He has got away with what he does because he's fought who?

Exactly!

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Chisora did what he could with what he has. Fury has also come on leaps and bounds since then whereas Chisora is still fighting the same. Fury is also in far better shape now.

Haye does not have a great defence. He has got away with what he does because he's fought who?

Exactly!

fury is a better fighter also yes, I still think it would be a much closer fight if the two fought again and I don't think fury would have it all his own way

in recent years I haven't seen haye punched clean in the face and you cant do what he has done in that time without fighting decent fighters

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Chisora did what he could with what he has. Fury has also come on leaps and bounds since then whereas Chisora is still fighting the same. Fury is also in far better shape now.

Haye does not have a great defence. He has got away with what he does because he's fought who?

Exactly!

fury is a better fighter also yes, I still think it would be a much closer fight if the two fought again and I don't think fury would have it all his own way

in recent years I haven't seen haye punched clean in the face and you cant do what he has done in that time without fighting decent fighters

Decent fighters at heavy?

Audley Harrison? john Ruiz? Valuev? barrett?

Wlad hit him and he didnt want to know

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Chisora did what he could with what he has. Fury has also come on leaps and bounds since then whereas Chisora is still fighting the same. Fury is also in far better shape now.

Haye does not have a great defence. He has got away with what he does because he's fought who?

Exactly!

fury is a better fighter also yes, I still think it would be a much closer fight if the two fought again and I don't think fury would have it all his own way

in recent years I haven't seen haye punched clean in the face and you cant do what he has done in that time without fighting decent fighters

Decent fighters at heavy?

Audley Harrison? john Ruiz? Valuev? barrett?

Wlad hit him and he didnt want to know

ha, I was gonna end my previous post with "Q the who has he fought a heavyweight conversation"

wlad is the best heavyweight out there by a long long way and if he had hit him cleanly he would have knocked him out but he didnt

against Harrison, ruiz, valuev, barrett, chisora he hardly took a punch, ok great opposition or not they couldn't hit him (ruiz a hand full of times and barrett when he was on his way down from a slip)

this all suggests to me that haye has a good defence