Fury is going to shock us against Haye!

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Chisora did what he could with what he has. Fury has also come on leaps and bounds since then whereas Chisora is still fighting the same. Fury is also in far better shape now.

Haye does not have a great defence. He has got away with what he does because he's fought who?

Exactly!

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Chisora did what he could with what he has. Fury has also come on leaps and bounds since then whereas Chisora is still fighting the same. Fury is also in far better shape now.

Haye does not have a great defence. He has got away with what he does because he's fought who?

Exactly!

fury is a better fighter also yes, I still think it would be a much closer fight if the two fought again and I don't think fury would have it all his own way

in recent years I haven't seen haye punched clean in the face and you cant do what he has done in that time without fighting decent fighters

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Chisora did what he could with what he has. Fury has also come on leaps and bounds since then whereas Chisora is still fighting the same. Fury is also in far better shape now.

Haye does not have a great defence. He has got away with what he does because he's fought who?

Exactly!

fury is a better fighter also yes, I still think it would be a much closer fight if the two fought again and I don't think fury would have it all his own way

in recent years I haven't seen haye punched clean in the face and you cant do what he has done in that time without fighting decent fighters

Decent fighters at heavy?

Audley Harrison? john Ruiz? Valuev? barrett?

Wlad hit him and he didnt want to know

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Chisora did what he could with what he has. Fury has also come on leaps and bounds since then whereas Chisora is still fighting the same. Fury is also in far better shape now.

Haye does not have a great defence. He has got away with what he does because he's fought who?

Exactly!

fury is a better fighter also yes, I still think it would be a much closer fight if the two fought again and I don't think fury would have it all his own way

in recent years I haven't seen haye punched clean in the face and you cant do what he has done in that time without fighting decent fighters

Decent fighters at heavy?

Audley Harrison? john Ruiz? Valuev? barrett?

Wlad hit him and he didnt want to know

ha, I was gonna end my previous post with "Q the who has he fought a heavyweight conversation"

wlad is the best heavyweight out there by a long long way and if he had hit him cleanly he would have knocked him out but he didnt

against Harrison, ruiz, valuev, barrett, chisora he hardly took a punch, ok great opposition or not they couldn't hit him (ruiz a hand full of times and barrett when he was on his way down from a slip)

this all suggests to me that haye has a good defence

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Haye fought old men who had been retired. They were slow and didnt fight at a pace.

You are talking like most were about Price before he fought Thompson. Looking good against that level of opposition is not hard. He got dropped by Barrett looked shite against Harrison, didnt deserve the nod against Valuev, struggled to put Ruiz away (even with his massive power and speed) and basically just wanted to hear the final bell against Wlad.

What has he done at heavy that is anything to get excited about?

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Haye fought old men who had been retired. They were slow and didnt fight at a pace.

You are talking like most were about Price before he fought Thompson. Looking good against that level of opposition is not hard. He got dropped by Barrett looked shite against Harrison, didnt deserve the nod against Valuev, struggled to put Ruiz away (even with his massive power and speed) and basically just wanted to hear the final bell against Wlad.

What has he done at heavy that is anything to get excited about?

we are talking about hayes defence not what he has done at HW

Price v Thompson has nothing to do with hayes defence

as said before all of those fighters you mention failed to really hit him with very few exceptions (on his way down against barrett, ruiz once or twice)

wlad (by far the best HW in the world) caught him a few times but never really cleanly

suggests haye has a good defence does it not?

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No...

As I said it was down to the ineptitude of the opponents. chisora landed plenty because he wasnt an old man!

If Fury had fought that list of opponents h and even had the same results, that would be picked apart. For some reason Haye gets priase for potential.