Fury is going to shock us against Haye!

[Fenster]

Well if it doesn't show Haye has a good defence maybe it shows he has a strong chin? Fury has been down more than Haye at heavyweight?

Yeah, by people who weigh over 200lb

Is it more of an acheivment to get knocked over by smaller people?

Considering the class Haye has fought in compared with Fury, you have to say Haye has the stronger chin. Fact.

or a better defence

And a better defence.

But Haye definitely has the stronger chin. Even ross can't prove that wrong. Fact.

[erics44]

Well if it doesn't show Haye has a good defence maybe it shows he has a strong chin? Fury has been down more than Haye at heavyweight?

Yeah, by people who weigh over 200lb

Is it more of an acheivment to get knocked over by smaller people?

Considering the class Haye has fought in compared with Fury, you have to say Haye has the stronger chin. Fact.

or a better defence

And a better defence.

But Haye definitely has the stronger chin. Even ross can't prove that wrong. Fact.

yeah but to sum up, he has fought better fighters since moving up to heavy and hasn't been down from a punch apart from a very dubious knock down against barrett so he either has a better defence or a better chin

but if he hasn't then what is the conclusion? ross?

[ross]

Well if it doesn't show Haye has a good defence maybe it shows he has a strong chin? Fury has been down more than Haye at heavyweight?

Yeah, by people who weigh over 200lb

Is it more of an acheivment to get knocked over by smaller people?

Considering the class Haye has fought in compared with Fury, you have to say Haye has the stronger chin. Fact.

or a better defence

And a better defence.

But Haye definitely has the stronger chin. Even ross can't prove that wrong. Fact.

and 3,2,1...

Lolenga Mock

A cruiser weight that gets splattered by a super middleweight with only 12 kos from 31 wins (6 from 21 at the time they fought which is why he was chosen) does not have a good heavyweight chin

[ykdadamaja]

Well if it doesn't show Haye has a good defence maybe it shows he has a strong chin? Fury has been down more than Haye at heavyweight?

Yeah, by people who weigh over 200lb

Is it more of an acheivment to get knocked over by smaller people?

Considering the class Haye has fought in compared with Fury, you have to say Haye has the stronger chin. Fact.

or a better defence

And a better defence.

But Haye definitely has the stronger chin. Even ross can't prove that wrong. Fact.

and 3,2,1...

Lolenga Mock

A cruiser weight that gets splattered by a super middleweight with only 12 kos from 31 wins (6 from 21 at the time they fought which is why he was chosen) does not have a good heavyweight chin

But can we say a Tommy Hearns at WW sparks anyone? Some times it isn't the size, it's the velocity behind the punch. Few people had it- Tommy Hearns, Ernie Shavers, Mike Tyson, Deontay Wilder, Julian Jackson and Rocky Marciano had it- and would have it at any weight once they kept their form and mechanics.

So a blown up MW can spark a HW. It can happen!

[Dark Lord Al]

If we are to believe that Fury is a puncher at HW with a less than solid chin , then everybody is over looking the chance of Fury upper cutting himself and losing by KO.

[Fenster]

BOOM!!!! Lolenga Mock finally turns up. Never in doubt

[ross]

Well if it doesn't show Haye has a good defence maybe it shows he has a strong chin? Fury has been down more than Haye at heavyweight?

Yeah, by people who weigh over 200lb

Is it more of an acheivment to get knocked over by smaller people?

Considering the class Haye has fought in compared with Fury, you have to say Haye has the stronger chin. Fact.

or a better defence

And a better defence.

But Haye definitely has the stronger chin. Even ross can't prove that wrong. Fact.

and 3,2,1...

Lolenga Mock

A cruiser weight that gets splattered by a super middleweight with only 12 kos from 31 wins (6 from 21 at the time they fought which is why he was chosen) does not have a good heavyweight chin

But can we say a Tommy Hearns at WW sparks anyone? Some times it isn't the size, it's the velocity behind the punch. Few people had it- Tommy Hearns, Ernie Shavers, Mike Tyson, Deontay Wilder, Julian Jackson and Rocky Marciano had it- and would have it at any weight once they kept their form and mechanics.

So a blown up MW can spark a HW. It can happen!

Did you see the mess Haye was in the Mock fight? It wasnt just a BANG got caught went down got back up and carried on fighting. He went down a few times and took Mock down with him!

Thomas Hearns is a puncher. Mock is not. 6 Kos from 22 fights?

[erics44]

Well if it doesn't show Haye has a good defence maybe it shows he has a strong chin? Fury has been down more than Haye at heavyweight?

Yeah, by people who weigh over 200lb

Is it more of an acheivment to get knocked over by smaller people?

Considering the class Haye has fought in compared with Fury, you have to say Haye has the stronger chin. Fact.

or a better defence

And a better defence.

But Haye definitely has the stronger chin. Even ross can't prove that wrong. Fact.

and 3,2,1...

Lolenga Mock

A cruiser weight that gets splattered by a super middleweight with only 12 kos from 31 wins (6 from 21 at the time they fought which is why he was chosen) does not have a good heavyweight chin

if any feather fisted supermiddle can knock him down he must have a good defence then as he hasn't been put down as a HW from a thump on the chin
@erics44 1 @ross 0

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[erics44]

ha ha ha ha haaaar

[ross]

Well if it doesn't show Haye has a good defence maybe it shows he has a strong chin? Fury has been down more than Haye at heavyweight?

Yeah, by people who weigh over 200lb

Is it more of an acheivment to get knocked over by smaller people?

Considering the class Haye has fought in compared with Fury, you have to say Haye has the stronger chin. Fact.

or a better defence

And a better defence.

But Haye definitely has the stronger chin. Even ross can't prove that wrong. Fact.

and 3,2,1...

Lolenga Mock

A cruiser weight that gets splattered by a super middleweight with only 12 kos from 31 wins (6 from 21 at the time they fought which is why he was chosen) does not have a good heavyweight chin

if any feather fisted supermiddle can knock him down he must have a good defence then as he hasn't been put down as a HW from a thump on the chin
@erics44 1 @ross 0

ha ha hahahaha ha ahaha haaaaar

Apart from Barrett.

Who has Haye beaten at heavyweight that was ever regarded as a banger on the world scene?

You can dress up statistics all you want but the reality is Hayes heavyweight opponents have been chosen for the sole purpose of getting to Wlad. He was always banging on about the Sanders fight and thought he could replicate that with his speed. He was wrong and this fight is a retirement fund.

[erics44]

Well if it doesn't show Haye has a good defence maybe it shows he has a strong chin? Fury has been down more than Haye at heavyweight?

Yeah, by people who weigh over 200lb

Is it more of an acheivment to get knocked over by smaller people?

Considering the class Haye has fought in compared with Fury, you have to say Haye has the stronger chin. Fact.

or a better defence

And a better defence.

But Haye definitely has the stronger chin. Even ross can't prove that wrong. Fact.

and 3,2,1...

Lolenga Mock

A cruiser weight that gets splattered by a super middleweight with only 12 kos from 31 wins (6 from 21 at the time they fought which is why he was chosen) does not have a good heavyweight chin

if any feather fisted supermiddle can knock him down he must have a good defence then as he hasn't been put down as a HW from a thump on the chin
@erics44 1 @ross 0

ha ha hahahaha ha ahaha haaaaar

Apart from Barrett.

Who has Haye beaten at heavyweight that was ever regarded as a banger on the world scene?

You can dress up statistics all you want but the reality is Hayes heavyweight opponents have been chosen for the sole purpose of getting to Wlad. He was always banging on about the Sanders fight and thought he could replicate that with his speed. He was wrong and this fight is a retirement fund.

we aren't talking about who haye has beaten at HW, we can have that conversation in a bit if you want

we were talking about haye having a rubbish defence and/or a rubbish chin

so far in this thread you have said he has both

so does he have a rubbish chin and a rubbish defence? or is it one or the other?

[IamInuit]

It’s possible. There are a few examples of a lumbering oaf beating the much more athletic fighter.

Willard did beat Johnson
Carnera did beat Loughran
And
Frankenstein did deliver a ko blow to the quicker Dracula drifting him into the fireplace via the opening salvo in Van Helsing which turned out to be a kd..

[ross]

Well if it doesn't show Haye has a good defence maybe it shows he has a strong chin? Fury has been down more than Haye at heavyweight?

Yeah, by people who weigh over 200lb

Is it more of an acheivment to get knocked over by smaller people?

Considering the class Haye has fought in compared with Fury, you have to say Haye has the stronger chin. Fact.

or a better defence

And a better defence.

But Haye definitely has the stronger chin. Even ross can't prove that wrong. Fact.

and 3,2,1...

Lolenga Mock

A cruiser weight that gets splattered by a super middleweight with only 12 kos from 31 wins (6 from 21 at the time they fought which is why he was chosen) does not have a good heavyweight chin

if any feather fisted supermiddle can knock him down he must have a good defence then as he hasn't been put down as a HW from a thump on the chin
@erics44 1 @ross 0

ha ha hahahaha ha ahaha haaaaar

Apart from Barrett.

Who has Haye beaten at heavyweight that was ever regarded as a banger on the world scene?

You can dress up statistics all you want but the reality is Hayes heavyweight opponents have been chosen for the sole purpose of getting to Wlad. He was always banging on about the Sanders fight and thought he could replicate that with his speed. He was wrong and this fight is a retirement fund.

we aren't talking about who haye has beaten at HW, we can have that conversation in a bit if you want

we were talking about haye having a rubbish defence and/or a rubbish chin

so far in this thread you have said he has both

so does he have a rubbish chin and a rubbish defence? or is it one or the other?

For fuck sake your going round in circles

Hayes defence at any weight consist of moving away. He cannot stand in punching range which is why he moves in and out. Also, his chin isn't great either. Getting knocked down at cruiser by a soft punching super middle proves that.
His saving grace is quite similar to that of Jones JR years ago. The guys they fought were intimidated by the speed and as someone has mentioned he's not sparked anyone. Its the speed. Fighters are too concerned to open up properly against him but thats alot down to the fighters he has picked. Other than Valuev and Wlad were the others in the top ten? I doubt they were in the top 20

He COULD have fought his contemporaries to prove something, like Cunningham, Arreola, Adamek etc but like I said the chose the route of least resistance to Wlad as him and Booth were certain that Haye could do a Sanders on Wlad.

Hayes chin and defence will be on display for all to see against the feather fisted, useless, fat idiot that punches himself. Fury is like the perfect opponent for Haye to shine. If he doesn't, im right and have been all along

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Monte Barrett himself put in black and white that in regards to Wald and Haye's Power he said ''Their power is comparable''.

The other thing he said, which I don't yet understand (maybe it's a nonsense?) is that ''He changes his size a lot''.

[erics44]

For fuck sake your going round in circles

Hayes defence at any weight consist of moving away. He cannot stand in punching range which is why he moves in and out. Also, his chin isn't great either. Getting knocked down at cruiser by a soft punching super middle proves that.
His saving grace is quite similar to that of Jones JR years ago. The guys they fought were intimidated by the speed and as someone has mentioned he's not sparked anyone. Its the speed. Fighters are too concerned to open up properly against him but thats alot down to the fighters he has picked. Other than Valuev and Wlad were the others in the top ten? I doubt they were in the top 20

He COULD have fought his contemporaries to prove something, like Cunningham, Arreola, Adamek etc but like I said the chose the route of least resistance to Wlad as him and Booth were certain that Haye could do a Sanders on Wlad.

Hayes chin and defence will be on display for all to see against the feather fisted, useless, fat idiot that punches himself. Fury is like the perfect opponent for Haye to shine. If he doesn't, im right and have been all along

ha, flippin nora

so, by rubbish defence you mean you don't like his defence rather than it isn't effective?