Seth Mitchell vs. Chris Arreola.

[Rantcatrat]

If I may ask is this a Showtime or hbo fight.

Showtime.

[ykdadamaja]

I'm doing a complete 180 on this one from when I first pondered it. I have a funny feeling Mitchell is going to get a ko. Not a sustained beating, but a suprising sudden early-ish ko. Chris has has proven he can soak up punishment but I like Mitchell's fast hooks against it and knowing he is walking a line of career irrelevance with this outcome.

I have the same feeling, though it's a total pick em for me. Arreola is thought of as really durable when he isn't, and he literally hasn't beaten anyone better than Jonathon Banks in his entire career, his reputation lies in taking a beating against Vitali and being in a few fun fights with journeymen. I don't think Mitchell is much good either and obviously Arreola could take him out, but he can punch to and all the room for improvement is on his end here. If he can connect with a short hook before Arreola gets anything going, wouldn't surprise me at all to see him follow up on it. I think he's a touch better than Travis Walker, and that's about what it takes to beat Arreola at his own game.

banks could have taken Mitchell the same way in the second fight as he did the first, he just didn't seem to want to

from that the first didn't look like a fluke to me

and if I believed there was corruption in boxing I would say there was something dodgy about banks performance in the second

areola isn't a world beater but he's tough and strong and has been in with some good fighters, I cant see Mitchell being good enough to knock him out

and areola definitely his hard enough to finish Mitchell

Don't disagree with any of that, but Banks is a completely different assignment to Arreola, as much as he stunk the place out against Mitchell in the rematch, he is a tricky counter puncher and Mitchell still had to shake the cobwebs after the first fight. Arreola has never rematched anyone who beat him and took a beating against a pretty limited guy with a good short hook last time out, no reason that should be overlooked here.

If neither man impresses in this one, regardless of the outcome, there isn't much left for them. Hopefully they both know this and we see a fun little fight.

Rubbish, the last paragraph- Arreola is still in it. He showed heart and courage against a world class fighter in Stiverne who beat Helenius and Price in the amateurs, quite soundly too.

Stiverne is no slouch, and Arreola didn't train well for the fight. The Arreola that fought last night compared to the one that fought Stiverne are two totally separate fighters- Arreola even lost some weight, the titties melted away and looked stronger and quicker. Good for him.

I hope he gets a rematch with all three of his losses- but the one with Vitali may not be doable. If he keeps his training in Phoenix, which obviously seemed to work for him, he can win those rematches.

[Violent Demise]

Mitchell lost the fight when he signed the contract.

[p4pking]

I'm doing a complete 180 on this one from when I first pondered it. I have a funny feeling Mitchell is going to get a ko. Not a sustained beating, but a suprising sudden early-ish ko. Chris has has proven he can soak up punishment but I like Mitchell's fast hooks against it and knowing he is walking a line of career irrelevance with this outcome.

I have the same feeling, though it's a total pick em for me. Arreola is thought of as really durable when he isn't, and he literally hasn't beaten anyone better than Jonathon Banks in his entire career, his reputation lies in taking a beating against Vitali and being in a few fun fights with journeymen. I don't think Mitchell is much good either and obviously Arreola could take him out, but he can punch to and all the room for improvement is on his end here. If he can connect with a short hook before Arreola gets anything going, wouldn't surprise me at all to see him follow up on it. I think he's a touch better than Travis Walker, and that's about what it takes to beat Arreola at his own game.

banks could have taken Mitchell the same way in the second fight as he did the first, he just didn't seem to want to

from that the first didn't look like a fluke to me

and if I believed there was corruption in boxing I would say there was something dodgy about banks performance in the second

areola isn't a world beater but he's tough and strong and has been in with some good fighters, I cant see Mitchell being good enough to knock him out

and areola definitely his hard enough to finish Mitchell

Don't disagree with any of that, but Banks is a completely different assignment to Arreola, as much as he stunk the place out against Mitchell in the rematch, he is a tricky counter puncher and Mitchell still had to shake the cobwebs after the first fight. Arreola has never rematched anyone who beat him and took a beating against a pretty limited guy with a good short hook last time out, no reason that should be overlooked here.

If neither man impresses in this one, regardless of the outcome, there isn't much left for them. Hopefully they both know this and we see a fun little fight.

Rubbish, the last paragraph- Arreola is still in it. He showed heart and courage against a world class fighter in Stiverne who beat Helenius and Price in the amateurs, quite soundly too.

Stiverne is no slouch, and Arreola didn't train well for the fight. The Arreola that fought last night compared to the one that fought Stiverne are two totally separate fighters- Arreola even lost some weight, the titties melted away and looked stronger and quicker. Good for him.

I hope he gets a rematch with all three of his losses- but the one with Vitali may not be doable. If he keeps his training in Phoenix, which obviously seemed to work for him, he can win those rematches.

Maybe you were trying to quote my more recent post? I only said that it was a must win fight for both guys and they knew it, wasn't sure if Arreola would come in good form or not.

I agree he did look better last night, but it's really hard to gauge much since Mitchell couldn't get past the first punches thrown. I don't Chris would beat Stiverne or Vitali in a rematch, but he's obviously in as good a position as anyone to get those fights now.

[ykdadamaja]

I'm doing a complete 180 on this one from when I first pondered it. I have a funny feeling Mitchell is going to get a ko. Not a sustained beating, but a suprising sudden early-ish ko. Chris has has proven he can soak up punishment but I like Mitchell's fast hooks against it and knowing he is walking a line of career irrelevance with this outcome.

I have the same feeling, though it's a total pick em for me. Arreola is thought of as really durable when he isn't, and he literally hasn't beaten anyone better than Jonathon Banks in his entire career, his reputation lies in taking a beating against Vitali and being in a few fun fights with journeymen. I don't think Mitchell is much good either and obviously Arreola could take him out, but he can punch to and all the room for improvement is on his end here. If he can connect with a short hook before Arreola gets anything going, wouldn't surprise me at all to see him follow up on it. I think he's a touch better than Travis Walker, and that's about what it takes to beat Arreola at his own game.

banks could have taken Mitchell the same way in the second fight as he did the first, he just didn't seem to want to

from that the first didn't look like a fluke to me

and if I believed there was corruption in boxing I would say there was something dodgy about banks performance in the second

areola isn't a world beater but he's tough and strong and has been in with some good fighters, I cant see Mitchell being good enough to knock him out

and areola definitely his hard enough to finish Mitchell

Don't disagree with any of that, but Banks is a completely different assignment to Arreola, as much as he stunk the place out against Mitchell in the rematch, he is a tricky counter puncher and Mitchell still had to shake the cobwebs after the first fight. Arreola has never rematched anyone who beat him and took a beating against a pretty limited guy with a good short hook last time out, no reason that should be overlooked here.

If neither man impresses in this one, regardless of the outcome, there isn't much left for them. Hopefully they both know this and we see a fun little fight.

Rubbish, the last paragraph- Arreola is still in it. He showed heart and courage against a world class fighter in Stiverne who beat Helenius and Price in the amateurs, quite soundly too.

Stiverne is no slouch, and Arreola didn't train well for the fight. The Arreola that fought last night compared to the one that fought Stiverne are two totally separate fighters- Arreola even lost some weight, the titties melted away and looked stronger and quicker. Good for him.

I hope he gets a rematch with all three of his losses- but the one with Vitali may not be doable. If he keeps his training in Phoenix, which obviously seemed to work for him, he can win those rematches.

Maybe you were trying to quote my more recent post? I only said that it was a must win fight for both guys and they knew it, wasn't sure if Arreola would come in good form or not.

I agree he did look better last night, but it's really hard to gauge much since Mitchell couldn't get past the first punches thrown. I don't Chris would beat Stiverne or Vitali in a rematch, but he's obviously in as good a position as anyone to get those fights now.

Ok. Well, odds are Vitali retires after this fight with Stiverne. Unless he wants to go on and fight non-descript Europeans and get easy paydays, which the WBC probably won't let him.

Arreola can rematch Adamek and do well, I imagine. I felt he beat Adamek anyways- I also felt that Chambers beat Adamek as well. But whatever.

[Scott22]

Mitchell should really consider retirement

[Rantcatrat]

Arreola appeared to give a lot of credit to training in Phoenix for this fight. He came in at 242, which is a good weight for him. I would like to see Arreola against one of the notable European fighters. I don't buy for an instant that De La Hoya is putting Wilder in with Arreola after Wilder hasn't had a tough fight yet.