Roy jones jr..what exactly happened?

[Hulk]

1. Roy would have been regarded as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, ever boxer if he retired after the first tarver fight

2. It was the muscle loss that ended Roys reign with age another factor which slowed him down.

3. Roy got caught with a peach of a shot but at his best he would have avoided it.

4. Roy destroys southpaws and all styles at his best.

Its sad, but true.

To me, and some others on this forum, he is still the best of all time. He was out of this world. As VD was saying, its incomprehensible just how much better he was than everyone else and that included guys like James Toney and Vrigil Hill.

Look at Reggie Johnson's resume and then see how totally outclassed he was by Roy.

[Andre]

Should've retired after the Ruiz fight and worked in promotion or commentary. The first Tarver fight saw the writing on the wall, that should've convinced him to finish and no rematch given. He was 34 when he first fought Tarver, what was the point of continuing? It's a been a sad decline ever since culminating in the embarrassment of the Green loss.

Yeah Im Australian but a boxing fan first, it depressed me no end that he was fighting Green and I was devastated that he lost,Roy should never have given it a chance to happen.

[IamInuit]

He was caught with something ilegal that was an ingredient of a sports suppliment.

Wouldnt it be easy though to find a sports suppliment that has whatever cheaty drug you want to take and use that as an excuse after being found cheating?

It was ripped fuel and its not a steroid. It was purchased over the counter at drug stores and he was only accused of using it once and it was in the Richard Hall fight. Of course the story spun out of control at the time because his accuser Richard Hall tested 14 times higher then Roy did for the same product.

Roy should have quit after the Ruiz fight instead of tearing down muscle to make 175 at his age. Ego won the day just like it continues to do. I may rank fighters higher then him on weight lists but that's cause he never stayed long but even at those weights like 160 and 168 I dont see anyone in history beating him in his prime. Not many could match him at 175 either except maybe Langford or Charles.

[bigstinkybug]

I loved roy jones in his prime.

We all know what happened after the first tarver fight but what was it that changed roy jones after that moment.

He achieved glory by beating ruiz and being the heavyweight champ THEN dropping weight (or muscle) and beating tarver for the LH belt.

These are my questions:-

1. How would you have remembered roy if he retired after the first tarver fight?
*Probably the greatest ever... BUT, Tarver knew something. Tarver had Jones number. every real boxing expert will tell u.."there's always someone with ur number"...and he might not even be the best...but for some reason, he can give u trouble...Tarver was Roy Jones Achilles. if those guys fought 10 times, Tarver prob wins 6.
2. Was it the muscle loss that ended roys reign at the top?
*EVERYONE has an opinion... mine is "he was on steroids and now he isn't" not only do i think that, he was implicated in BALCO, but it couldn't be proved. not only that, he pee'ed hot in one fight for sure...but nothing was ever made of it... AND not only that, there was a lady who was all over this steroid scandal and predicted Mosely and Jones would look like shit in their next fight...and they both lost...true story. LASTLY ON THE SUBJECT...Jones owns fighting chicken... he's deep into this shit... i even know a guy who's fought against his roosters... and guess what, they're on steroids too, as most fighting Roosters are.

3. Was it the fact roy achieved everything he had too after the first tarver win and lost focus?
if Roy achieved everything, then why is he still fighting?

4. Was it tarvers awkward southpaw style that ended roys reign?
*i think Tarver could've been an all time great... the guy was that talented, that charamatic... he's still great and could poss win a title now... BUT, I've always thought he had his fingers i too many pie's to be great... still, he had an awesome career.

Just give me feedback on your honest review on this period in roys career and your opinion on everything we see now that roy is doing.
*U asked me..that's my opinion on Jones...

Cheers

cheers...

[Master]

He was caught with something ilegal that was an ingredient of a sports suppliment.

Wouldnt it be easy though to find a sports suppliment that has whatever cheaty drug you want to take and use that as an excuse after being found cheating?

It was ripped fuel and its not a steroid. It was purchased over the counter at drug stores and he was only accused of using it once and it was in the Richard Hall fight. Of course the story spun out of control at the time because his accuser Richard Hall tested 14 times higher then Roy did for the same product.

Roy should have quit after the Ruiz fight instead of tearing down muscle to make 175 at his age. Ego won the day just like it continues to do. I may rank fighters higher then him on weight lists but that's cause he never stayed long but even at those weights like 160 and 168 I dont see anyone in history beating him in his prime. Not many could match him at 175 either except maybe Langford or Charles.

Or Spinks or Foster

[bigstinkybug]

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

[Violent Demise]

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

I did not know steroids allowed you take a punch better

[imp]

I loved roy jones in his prime.

We all know what happened after the first tarver fight but what was it that changed roy jones after that moment.

He achieved glory by beating ruiz and being the heavyweight champ THEN dropping weight (or muscle) and beating tarver for the LH belt.

These are my questions:-

1. How would you have remembered roy if he retired after the first tarver fight?
*Probably the greatest ever... BUT, Tarver knew something. Tarver had Jones number. every real boxing expert will tell u.."there's always someone with ur number"...and he might not even be the best...but for some reason, he can give u trouble...Tarver was Roy Jones Achilles. if those guys fought 10 times, Tarver prob wins 6.
2. Was it the muscle loss that ended roys reign at the top?
*EVERYONE has an opinion... mine is "he was on steroids and now he isn't" not only do i think that, he was implicated in BALCO, but it couldn't be proved. not only that, he pee'ed hot in one fight for sure...but nothing was ever made of it... AND not only that, there was a lady who was all over this steroid scandal and predicted Mosely and Jones would look like shit in their next fight...and they both lost...true story. LASTLY ON THE SUBJECT...Jones owns fighting chicken... he's deep into this shit... i even know a guy who's fought against his roosters... and guess what, they're on steroids too, as most fighting Roosters are.

3. Was it the fact roy achieved everything he had too after the first tarver win and lost focus?
if Roy achieved everything, then why is he still fighting?

4. Was it tarvers awkward southpaw style that ended roys reign?
*i think Tarver could've been an all time great... the guy was that talented, that charamatic... he's still great and could poss win a title now... BUT, I've always thought he had his fingers i too many pie's to be great... still, he had an awesome career.

Just give me feedback on your honest review on this period in roys career and your opinion on everything we see now that roy is doing.
*U asked me..that's my opinion on Jones...

Cheers

cheers...

Cool.

I like tarvers talk as a commentator but dont like his fighting style.

I think that tarver, as well as age, and as well as the muscle loss was the combination of roys downward spiral.

If it was another clinton woods after ruiz i dont think roy would have had that much of a problem so tarver did have something on Roy but there were other factors imho.

[bigstinkybug]

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

I did not know steroids allowed you take a punch better

*well it does..and u herd it here first. anyone that say it doesn't if full of shit. boxers on steroids look like machines..unstoppable machines. just cuz it can't be proved doesn't mean it doesn't happen. if u want to keep believing JOnes wasn't on steroids..then fine... I know better. I know that u don't look unstoppable , ko'ing guys with ur hands behind ur back... then,all in a matter of 1 year, u have no power, ur a shadow of ur former self, u can't take a punch...even ko'ed in 1 round. I don't mean to challenge anyones boxing knowledge..BUT, u have to know something is going on, don't u?

[IamInuit]

He was caught with something ilegal that was an ingredient of a sports suppliment.

Wouldnt it be easy though to find a sports suppliment that has whatever cheaty drug you want to take and use that as an excuse after being found cheating?

It was ripped fuel and its not a steroid. It was purchased over the counter at drug stores and he was only accused of using it once and it was in the Richard Hall fight. Of course the story spun out of control at the time because his accuser Richard Hall tested 14 times higher then Roy did for the same product.

Roy should have quit after the Ruiz fight instead of tearing down muscle to make 175 at his age. Ego won the day just like it continues to do. I may rank fighters higher then him on weight lists but that's cause he never stayed long but even at those weights like 160 and 168 I dont see anyone in history beating him in his prime. Not many could match him at 175 either except maybe Langford or Charles.

Or Spinks or Foster

Cant see Foster getting to him but Spinks would be a tricky fight for him and the later version of Hopkins who kind of has the same style as Michael or shares many qualities.

[IamInuit]

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

Produce the evidence. It should be everywhere or STFU already.

On a side note good ole Victor used to play in Traffic. They came in pretty hot on stage sometimes and Victor on that Sax.....

[bigstinkybug]

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

Produce the evidence. It should be everywhere or STFU already.

On a side note good ole Victor used to play in Traffic. They came in pretty hot on stage sometimes and Victor on that Sax.....

*the evidence is right infront of ur face, fuck head.

[IamInuit]

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

Produce the evidence. It should be everywhere or STFU already.

On a side note good ole Victor used to play in Traffic. They came in pretty hot on stage sometimes and Victor on that Sax.....

*the evidence is right infront of ur face, fuck head.

That is not evidence you fucking tool. Now go away. This is a conversation involving adults not 12 year old rumor mongering girls.

[bradlee180]

*the evidence is right infront of ur face, fuck head.[/COLOR]

F*<k you, F*<k you, F*<k You ...in the A$$ !!!

[IamInuit]

Outside of the local gossip columnist there is no evidence that Roy Jones was a steroid abuser other then girly guilt by association haters. He did cheat though by using ripped fuel and it was buried under the rug. Even if he did do one cycle and it could be shown that does not mean he juiced his entire career. That is tin foil hat shit and the straps ought to be loosened.