Quote Originally Posted by AdamGB
trust me, they don't really help... all they help to do is make Suppliment companys money and take up room in your meals that could be filled with protien filled with with Vitamins and minerals you need... not ot mention ruffage... that stuff gives you the shits :P

Train hard and eat well, no need to line peoples pockets and chase gimicks, meat has all the essential Amino Acid's you need anyway.

If you want to add muscle to your frame, you're going to have to eat more Calories than your body uses, this means you will gain some fat, can't be avoided, you just burn it off once you have made your gains.

A lot more to building muscle than just protien, you need calories to make it happen, otehr wise it's like having a load of bricks and no builders to put the wall up...
Damn man really wanted to avoid putting on fat. I worked heaps hard to lose around 10 kilos a while ago, kept it off. Now i just want to tone up and put on some muscle. By the way...shouldnt the bricklayers be putting up the wall and not the builders :P