Are you for or against intervening in Syria?

[Gandalf]

I see it has become personal again, Lyle.

Where I live has nothing to do with the crisis in Syria. If I was living in England my views would be the same as you well know. Likewise, the work that I do has nothing to do with having views on international political affairs. I do a job, a peaceful job, and that is all that there is to that. It has nothing to do with Syria. I do well, but that doesn't mean that I have no values. If I don't enjoy what I do then I will look for another teaching job because teaching is what I do. My rebellion is living overseas as a sojourner, but I have studied to teach and teach I shall. You say I stand for nothing, but what the heck do you stand for? I live for my family and the faint hope that the homeland can improve itself. I want good things for the UK, it angers me that it isn't what it should be.

The Christian faith is that humans are inherently evil, but I don't adhere to that. I don't do evil things and most people don't do evil things. However, concentrations of power are very prone to doing evil things and I just point out where the leading concentrations of power do just that. US foreign policy of 50 years has shown it repeatedly, revelations about your secret services are likewise showing a pull towards wrongdoing, those are just the facts.

I don't want the world to end, I just want people to aspire to be better people and to care for one another more. The politics has to lead that from the front as society has shown it can't level the playing field. I don't think the West practices caring very well with broken families being the norm rather than the exception, with governments hell bent on privatising everything they can, with jobs being outsourced in their millions, with state pensions being funneled into hedge funds, with 12 million Americans relying on tips to top up their 2 dollars and 14 cents per hour. It is a sick, sick, state of affairs and I feel little regard for any of the people that have caused it. Would I like to see those responsible brought to account for their crimes against society? Sure, I would. However, I am not advocating nuclear apocalypse or anything so drastic.

As for Walrus, this is a decent place to live and with the right skills and qualifications, you can do well and I do. That however has nothing to do with politics nor Syria. I could be doing the work that I do in 4 dozen countries and my political views would be the same. It is an asinine argument.

[El Kabong]

I see it has become personal again, Lyle.

It's not personal it's the truth. You're an anarchist, anarchy is chaos, and with chaos you get MORE suffering not less. You don't even like humans let alone certain groups of humans, so why should anyone listen to you drone on about an entire species that your despise?

When the United States helps anyone does miles give any credit? No, it's 100% evil...and as per usual I'm tired of your bullshit classroom preaching. You teach English to Koreans you're not solving jack shit with world problems, you don't live in reality which is why when you're faced with reality you're a drunken lunatic.

[Gandalf]

I see it has become personal again, Lyle.

It's not personal it's the truth. You're an anarchist, anarchy is chaos, and with chaos you get MORE suffering not less. You don't even like humans let alone certain groups of humans, so why should anyone listen to you drone on about an entire species that your despise?

When the United States helps anyone does miles give any credit? No, it's 100% evil...and as per usual I'm tired of your bullshit classroom preaching. You teach English to Koreans you're not solving jack shit with world problems, you don't live in reality which is why when you're faced with reality you're a drunken lunatic.

I believe anarchy is needed in places where totalitarianism has taken over. Whence I am all for the Korean freedom fighters who gave their lives against the Japanese. Likewise, it is why I am in favour of people like Manning and Snowden who are clearly proud Americans. If you don't break the rules then nothing will ever change, rules can and should be broken in the face of overwhelming oppression. In that regard I don't blame people overseas attacking American troops.

The argument that I don't live in reality is also ludicrous. How do you think I survive and live a decent middle class life? I don't do it by being completely insane and off my head waltzing around like Alice in Wonderland. I do it by working hard and trying to do my job better than anyone else. I have off days and doubts, but I get through it and persevere. Unlike all too many I use my rationality to survive. It's the genuinely insane who marry and have 3 kids, buy a home that is too big for them to afford and never plan for the future. I am far from insane in that regard, Lyle.

Also, what do you think I do for a living? My ability is based in the work that I do and that is how I run my life. I am a master of pedagogic grammar and preach it well. I think you have a warped perspective of me. I do a job and it has nothing to do with the me who talks about things on here. I live in reality and thus prepare and act around it. I think all too many of you are not living in reality with the TV obsession and ignorance of what your governments are doing.

I am well aware of everything and in that sense am completely in tune with reality. I think your posts reek of sour grapes because everything that has been said has turned out to be true. This isn't classroom preaching in the slightest, this stuff goes nowhere near my classrooms. It is transmitted to people like you. So stick it up your bra, you big nancy.

[El Kabong]

I believe anarchy is needed in places where totalitarianism has taken over. Whence I am all for the Korean freedom fighters who gave their lives against the Japanese. Likewise, it is why I am in favour of people like Manning and Snowden who are clearly proud Americans. If you don't break the rules then nothing will ever change, rules can and should be broken in the face of overwhelming oppression. In that regard I don't blame people overseas attacking American troops.

The argument that I don't live in reality is also ludicrous. How do you think I survive and live a decent middle class life? I don't do it by being completely insane and off my head waltzing around like Alice in Wonderland. I do it by working hard and trying to do my job better than anyone else. I have off days and doubts, but I get through it and persevere. Unlike all too many I use my rationality to survive. It's the genuinely insane who marry and have 3 kids, buy a home that is too big for them to afford and never plan for the future. I am far from insane in that regard, Lyle.

Also, what do you think I do for a living? My ability is based in the work that I do and that is how I run my life. I am a master of pedagogic grammar and preach it well. I think you have a warped perspective of me. I do a job and it has nothing to do with the me who talks about things on here. I live in reality and thus prepare and act around it. I think all too many of you are not living in reality with the TV obsession and ignorance of what your governments are doing.

I am well aware of everything and in that sense am completely in tune with reality. I think your posts reek of sour grapes because everything that has been said has turned out to be true. This isn't classroom preaching in the slightest, this stuff goes nowhere near my classrooms. It is transmitted to people like you. So stick it up your bra, you big nancy.

Anarchy doesn't work and you are a fool to believe in it. Why did the Republicans lose in the Spanish Civil War? Because they allied with the anarchists! The pigs. Anarchists are the scum of the Earth and true anarchists don't believe in peace they are just habitual boat rockers, they don't follow authority no matter who is in charge. If they were in charge and made rules for everyone, they'd break their own rules because it is their lot in life to fight against the establishment no matter who that establishment is. THAT is why I say you don't live in reality, you're hoping for something to happen but it will never happen, never ever...the anarchists always lose, because they fight against themselves just as much as they fight against the enemy. Anarchy is self destructive and THAT is why you like it, it reminds you of yourself.

There were dirtbags in the Spanish Civil War who refused to salute officers citing this as a reason "We figured the bullets and bombs couldn't tell the difference between a General and a Private so why should we?".....they had a fundamental lack of respect which was but a shadow of the fundamental flaw in their personalities, it is only a shame that all Anarchists aren't dead because though they will never achieve their dreams they'll sacrifice themselves to destroy yours.

Anarchists are a reason to believe in abortion they offer society nothing but trouble

[Gandalf]

I believe anarchy is needed in places where totalitarianism has taken over. Whence I am all for the Korean freedom fighters who gave their lives against the Japanese. Likewise, it is why I am in favour of people like Manning and Snowden who are clearly proud Americans. If you don't break the rules then nothing will ever change, rules can and should be broken in the face of overwhelming oppression. In that regard I don't blame people overseas attacking American troops.

The argument that I don't live in reality is also ludicrous. How do you think I survive and live a decent middle class life? I don't do it by being completely insane and off my head waltzing around like Alice in Wonderland. I do it by working hard and trying to do my job better than anyone else. I have off days and doubts, but I get through it and persevere. Unlike all too many I use my rationality to survive. It's the genuinely insane who marry and have 3 kids, buy a home that is too big for them to afford and never plan for the future. I am far from insane in that regard, Lyle.

Also, what do you think I do for a living? My ability is based in the work that I do and that is how I run my life. I am a master of pedagogic grammar and preach it well. I think you have a warped perspective of me. I do a job and it has nothing to do with the me who talks about things on here. I live in reality and thus prepare and act around it. I think all too many of you are not living in reality with the TV obsession and ignorance of what your governments are doing.

I am well aware of everything and in that sense am completely in tune with reality. I think your posts reek of sour grapes because everything that has been said has turned out to be true. This isn't classroom preaching in the slightest, this stuff goes nowhere near my classrooms. It is transmitted to people like you. So stick it up your bra, you big nancy.

Anarchy doesn't work and you are a fool to believe in it. Why did the Republicans lose in the Spanish Civil War? Because they allied with the anarchists! The pigs. Anarchists are the scum of the Earth and true anarchists don't believe in peace they are just habitual boat rockers, they don't follow authority no matter who is in charge. If they were in charge and made rules for everyone, they'd break their own rules because it is their lot in life to fight against the establishment no matter who that establishment is. THAT is why I say you don't live in reality, you're hoping for something to happen but it will never happen, never ever...the anarchists always lose, because they fight against themselves just as much as they fight against the enemy. Anarchy is self destructive and THAT is why you like it, it reminds you of yourself.

There were dirtbags in the Spanish Civil War who refused to salute officers citing this as a reason "We figured the bullets and bombs couldn't tell the difference between a General and a Private so why should we?".....they had a fundamental lack of respect which was but a shadow of the fundamental flaw in their personalities, it is only a shame that all Anarchists aren't dead because though they will never achieve their dreams they'll sacrifice themselves to destroy yours.

Anarchists are a reason to believe in abortion they offer society nothing but trouble

Abortion? Maybe the solution is not to breed as led by the Catholic church.

Anarchy is to stop a system from functioning and in that sense abortion is anarchy. I am all for it. Nobody asked to be born and the sooner adults realise that there can be more anarchy. However, it isn't just anarchy, it is an intelligent approach to living.

I'm an anarchist for sure, but I believe it is an intelligent approach to living. I like society having values, motivation, and a means to better oneself. However, when those things are gone anarchy is needed. If you don't think your children will inherit a fair chance then you need anarchy.

It isn't a dirty word. A society of people not producing children is a quiet form of serious anarchy.

[walrus]

I see it has become personal again, Lyle.

Where I live has nothing to do with the crisis in Syria. If I was living in England my views would be the same as you well know. Likewise, the work that I do has nothing to do with having views on international political affairs. I do a job, a peaceful job, and that is all that there is to that. It has nothing to do with Syria. I do well, but that doesn't mean that I have no values. If I don't enjoy what I do then I will look for another teaching job because teaching is what I do. My rebellion is living overseas as a sojourner, but I have studied to teach and teach I shall. You say I stand for nothing, but what the heck do you stand for? I live for my family and the faint hope that the homeland can improve itself. I want good things for the UK, it angers me that it isn't what it should be.

The Christian faith is that humans are inherently evil, but I don't adhere to that. I don't do evil things and most people don't do evil things. However, concentrations of power are very prone to doing evil things and I just point out where the leading concentrations of power do just that. US foreign policy of 50 years has shown it repeatedly, revelations about your secret services are likewise showing a pull towards wrongdoing, those are just the facts.

I don't want the world to end, I just want people to aspire to be better people and to care for one another more. The politics has to lead that from the front as society has shown it can't level the playing field. I don't think the West practices caring very well with broken families being the norm rather than the exception, with governments hell bent on privatising everything they can, with jobs being outsourced in their millions, with state pensions being funneled into hedge funds, with 12 million Americans relying on tips to top up their 2 dollars and 14 cents per hour. It is a sick, sick, state of affairs and I feel little regard for any of the people that have caused it. Would I like to see those responsible brought to account for their crimes against society? Sure, I would. However, I am not advocating nuclear apocalypse or anything so drastic.

As for Walrus, this is a decent place to live and with the right skills and qualifications, you can do well and I do. That however has nothing to do with politics nor Syria. I could be doing the work that I do in 4 dozen countries and my political views would be the same. It is an asinine argument.

Where you live and what you do has everything to do with your world view. You have not been talking about Syria, I really don't think you give a shit about them, you have been talking about America, against whom you are biased. Also, Christianity does not view humans as evil as evidenced by John 3:16. Stop spouting bias in your head as fact.

[Gandalf]

I see it has become personal again, Lyle.

Where I live has nothing to do with the crisis in Syria. If I was living in England my views would be the same as you well know. Likewise, the work that I do has nothing to do with having views on international political affairs. I do a job, a peaceful job, and that is all that there is to that. It has nothing to do with Syria. I do well, but that doesn't mean that I have no values. If I don't enjoy what I do then I will look for another teaching job because teaching is what I do. My rebellion is living overseas as a sojourner, but I have studied to teach and teach I shall. You say I stand for nothing, but what the heck do you stand for? I live for my family and the faint hope that the homeland can improve itself. I want good things for the UK, it angers me that it isn't what it should be.

The Christian faith is that humans are inherently evil, but I don't adhere to that. I don't do evil things and most people don't do evil things. However, concentrations of power are very prone to doing evil things and I just point out where the leading concentrations of power do just that. US foreign policy of 50 years has shown it repeatedly, revelations about your secret services are likewise showing a pull towards wrongdoing, those are just the facts.

I don't want the world to end, I just want people to aspire to be better people and to care for one another more. The politics has to lead that from the front as society has shown it can't level the playing field. I don't think the West practices caring very well with broken families being the norm rather than the exception, with governments hell bent on privatising everything they can, with jobs being outsourced in their millions, with state pensions being funneled into hedge funds, with 12 million Americans relying on tips to top up their 2 dollars and 14 cents per hour. It is a sick, sick, state of affairs and I feel little regard for any of the people that have caused it. Would I like to see those responsible brought to account for their crimes against society? Sure, I would. However, I am not advocating nuclear apocalypse or anything so drastic.

As for Walrus, this is a decent place to live and with the right skills and qualifications, you can do well and I do. That however has nothing to do with politics nor Syria. I could be doing the work that I do in 4 dozen countries and my political views would be the same. It is an asinine argument.

Where you live and what you do has everything to do with your world view. You have not been talking about Syria, I really don't think you give a shit about them, you have been talking about America, against whom you are biased. Also, Christianity does not view humans as evil as evidenced by John 3:16. Stop spouting bias in your head as fact.

You forgot to read the Old Testament.

Again you fail to back up your argument and so it is pretty asinine. If there is anything I say about America that is untrue then say it, otherwise it isn't biased and must be true. Also, you clearly know very little about me if you think I wouldn't hold the same views in the UK or in dozens of other countries. My views will only change with concrete policy changes and they haven't materialised which is something that even Lyle recognises in the case of Obama.

[Gandalf]

I will share a little anecdote just to show how I don't connect with reality. I was reading Lyle's post with an incredulous expression, and it bugged me. Then I said to my wife, 'Listen to what this Lyle person has said about me and tell me what you think'. And so I read out that vindictive attacking post and shrugged my shoulders, 'What do you make of that?'. Her immediate reply was that it was 'Nonsense' and that he has 'no idea how good you are'. Then she gave me a hug and went to bed as she has to drive early to see her sister. See Lyle, not my words, but the words of my wife. That is reality and life as I live it.

All in all Lyle, you are a cunt and should be called as such for attacking me as usual for no good reason. You do it to Kirkland all the time too and really you should be reprimanded. You contribute nothing, but have a go at individuals and as usual ignore the bigger picture which is your fascist government.

[El Kabong]

I will share a little anecdote just to show how I don't connect with reality. I was reading Lyle's post with an incredulous expression, and it bugged me. Then I said to my wife, 'Listen to what this Lyle person has said about me and tell me what you think'. And so I read out that vindictive attacking post and shrugged my shoulders, 'What do you make of that?'. Her immediate reply was that it was 'Nonsense' and that he has 'no idea how good you are'. Then she gave me a hug and went to bed as she has to drive early to see her sister. See Lyle, not my words, but the words of my wife. That is reality and life as I live it.

All in all Lyle, you are a cunt and should be called as such for attacking me as usual for no good reason. You do it to Kirkland all the time too and really you should be reprimanded. You contribute nothing, but have a go at individuals and as usual ignore the bigger picture which is your fascist government.

Is this the same wife you complain about constantly or is there a new one?

[Gandalf]

Do I complain about my wife constantly? Again, no I don't. She is one of a few people that know who I am to the core. That's what I was trying to say, if I was acting like Charlie Sheen then clearly there could be no normalcy. If I was Michael Jackson, then things would be weird. My life is not in the slightest as you tried to paint it in that post and so it was you projecting more than anything else. I am not stomping the streets inciting revolution. In fact, you are no less political than I am and you argue your case on a forum just as I do.

[Gandalf]

Basically what it all means is that people who will hide in shadows and lash out when they feel like it, but reveal nothing are poison. Lyle for example is against any involvement in Syria and yet will find any moment to lash out at me and talk all kinds of shite.

And yet does Lyle have a girlfriend? Has he ever picked up a girl without a gun aimed at her head? Has he failed to realise that by insulting Obama he is an obvious racist?

Anyone can make arguments like that, but it is pathetic and that is what the last few pages are.

[walrus]

I see it has become personal again, Lyle.

Where I live has nothing to do with the crisis in Syria. If I was living in England my views would be the same as you well know. Likewise, the work that I do has nothing to do with having views on international political affairs. I do a job, a peaceful job, and that is all that there is to that. It has nothing to do with Syria. I do well, but that doesn't mean that I have no values. If I don't enjoy what I do then I will look for another teaching job because teaching is what I do. My rebellion is living overseas as a sojourner, but I have studied to teach and teach I shall. You say I stand for nothing, but what the heck do you stand for? I live for my family and the faint hope that the homeland can improve itself. I want good things for the UK, it angers me that it isn't what it should be.

The Christian faith is that humans are inherently evil, but I don't adhere to that. I don't do evil things and most people don't do evil things. However, concentrations of power are very prone to doing evil things and I just point out where the leading concentrations of power do just that. US foreign policy of 50 years has shown it repeatedly, revelations about your secret services are likewise showing a pull towards wrongdoing, those are just the facts.

I don't want the world to end, I just want people to aspire to be better people and to care for one another more. The politics has to lead that from the front as society has shown it can't level the playing field. I don't think the West practices caring very well with broken families being the norm rather than the exception, with governments hell bent on privatising everything they can, with jobs being outsourced in their millions, with state pensions being funneled into hedge funds, with 12 million Americans relying on tips to top up their 2 dollars and 14 cents per hour. It is a sick, sick, state of affairs and I feel little regard for any of the people that have caused it. Would I like to see those responsible brought to account for their crimes against society? Sure, I would. However, I am not advocating nuclear apocalypse or anything so drastic.

As for Walrus, this is a decent place to live and with the right skills and qualifications, you can do well and I do. That however has nothing to do with politics nor Syria. I could be doing the work that I do in 4 dozen countries and my political views would be the same. It is an asinine argument.

Where you live and what you do has everything to do with your world view. You have not been talking about Syria, I really don't think you give a shit about them, you have been talking about America, against whom you are biased. Also, Christianity does not view humans as evil as evidenced by John 3:16. Stop spouting bias in your head as fact.

You forgot to read the Old Testament.

Again you fail to back up your argument and so it is pretty asinine. If there is anything I say about America that is untrue then say it, otherwise it isn't biased and must be true. Also, you clearly know very little about me if you think I wouldn't hold the same views in the UK or in dozens of other countries. My views will only change with concrete policy changes and they haven't materialised which is something that even Lyle recognises in the case of Obama.

Need I remind you that the old testament is pre Christian or does that not fit into your thinking

[Gandalf]

I see it has become personal again, Lyle.

Where I live has nothing to do with the crisis in Syria. If I was living in England my views would be the same as you well know. Likewise, the work that I do has nothing to do with having views on international political affairs. I do a job, a peaceful job, and that is all that there is to that. It has nothing to do with Syria. I do well, but that doesn't mean that I have no values. If I don't enjoy what I do then I will look for another teaching job because teaching is what I do. My rebellion is living overseas as a sojourner, but I have studied to teach and teach I shall. You say I stand for nothing, but what the heck do you stand for? I live for my family and the faint hope that the homeland can improve itself. I want good things for the UK, it angers me that it isn't what it should be.

The Christian faith is that humans are inherently evil, but I don't adhere to that. I don't do evil things and most people don't do evil things. However, concentrations of power are very prone to doing evil things and I just point out where the leading concentrations of power do just that. US foreign policy of 50 years has shown it repeatedly, revelations about your secret services are likewise showing a pull towards wrongdoing, those are just the facts.

I don't want the world to end, I just want people to aspire to be better people and to care for one another more. The politics has to lead that from the front as society has shown it can't level the playing field. I don't think the West practices caring very well with broken families being the norm rather than the exception, with governments hell bent on privatising everything they can, with jobs being outsourced in their millions, with state pensions being funneled into hedge funds, with 12 million Americans relying on tips to top up their 2 dollars and 14 cents per hour. It is a sick, sick, state of affairs and I feel little regard for any of the people that have caused it. Would I like to see those responsible brought to account for their crimes against society? Sure, I would. However, I am not advocating nuclear apocalypse or anything so drastic.

As for Walrus, this is a decent place to live and with the right skills and qualifications, you can do well and I do. That however has nothing to do with politics nor Syria. I could be doing the work that I do in 4 dozen countries and my political views would be the same. It is an asinine argument.

Where you live and what you do has everything to do with your world view. You have not been talking about Syria, I really don't think you give a shit about them, you have been talking about America, against whom you are biased. Also, Christianity does not view humans as evil as evidenced by John 3:16. Stop spouting bias in your head as fact.

You forgot to read the Old Testament.

Again you fail to back up your argument and so it is pretty asinine. If there is anything I say about America that is untrue then say it, otherwise it isn't biased and must be true. Also, you clearly know very little about me if you think I wouldn't hold the same views in the UK or in dozens of other countries. My views will only change with concrete policy changes and they haven't materialised which is something that even Lyle recognises in the case of Obama.

Need I remind you that the old testament is pre Christian or does that not fit into your thinking

So you only accept the post rehab God? Fair enough!

[walrus]

I see it has become personal again, Lyle.

Where I live has nothing to do with the crisis in Syria. If I was living in England my views would be the same as you well know. Likewise, the work that I do has nothing to do with having views on international political affairs. I do a job, a peaceful job, and that is all that there is to that. It has nothing to do with Syria. I do well, but that doesn't mean that I have no values. If I don't enjoy what I do then I will look for another teaching job because teaching is what I do. My rebellion is living overseas as a sojourner, but I have studied to teach and teach I shall. You say I stand for nothing, but what the heck do you stand for? I live for my family and the faint hope that the homeland can improve itself. I want good things for the UK, it angers me that it isn't what it should be.

The Christian faith is that humans are inherently evil, but I don't adhere to that. I don't do evil things and most people don't do evil things. However, concentrations of power are very prone to doing evil things and I just point out where the leading concentrations of power do just that. US foreign policy of 50 years has shown it repeatedly, revelations about your secret services are likewise showing a pull towards wrongdoing, those are just the facts.

I don't want the world to end, I just want people to aspire to be better people and to care for one another more. The politics has to lead that from the front as society has shown it can't level the playing field. I don't think the West practices caring very well with broken families being the norm rather than the exception, with governments hell bent on privatising everything they can, with jobs being outsourced in their millions, with state pensions being funneled into hedge funds, with 12 million Americans relying on tips to top up their 2 dollars and 14 cents per hour. It is a sick, sick, state of affairs and I feel little regard for any of the people that have caused it. Would I like to see those responsible brought to account for their crimes against society? Sure, I would. However, I am not advocating nuclear apocalypse or anything so drastic.

As for Walrus, this is a decent place to live and with the right skills and qualifications, you can do well and I do. That however has nothing to do with politics nor Syria. I could be doing the work that I do in 4 dozen countries and my political views would be the same. It is an asinine argument.

Where you live and what you do has everything to do with your world view. You have not been talking about Syria, I really don't think you give a shit about them, you have been talking about America, against whom you are biased. Also, Christianity does not view humans as evil as evidenced by John 3:16. Stop spouting bias in your head as fact.

You forgot to read the Old Testament.

Again you fail to back up your argument and so it is pretty asinine. If there is anything I say about America that is untrue then say it, otherwise it isn't biased and must be true. Also, you clearly know very little about me if you think I wouldn't hold the same views in the UK or in dozens of other countries. My views will only change with concrete policy changes and they haven't materialised which is something that even Lyle recognises in the case of Obama.

Need I remind you that the old testament is pre Christian or does that not fit into your thinking

So you only accept the post rehab God? Fair enough!

it just proves you are making argument against that which you know very little of. It's called contempt prior to investigation.

[Gandalf]

I see it has become personal again, Lyle.

Where I live has nothing to do with the crisis in Syria. If I was living in England my views would be the same as you well know. Likewise, the work that I do has nothing to do with having views on international political affairs. I do a job, a peaceful job, and that is all that there is to that. It has nothing to do with Syria. I do well, but that doesn't mean that I have no values. If I don't enjoy what I do then I will look for another teaching job because teaching is what I do. My rebellion is living overseas as a sojourner, but I have studied to teach and teach I shall. You say I stand for nothing, but what the heck do you stand for? I live for my family and the faint hope that the homeland can improve itself. I want good things for the UK, it angers me that it isn't what it should be.

The Christian faith is that humans are inherently evil, but I don't adhere to that. I don't do evil things and most people don't do evil things. However, concentrations of power are very prone to doing evil things and I just point out where the leading concentrations of power do just that. US foreign policy of 50 years has shown it repeatedly, revelations about your secret services are likewise showing a pull towards wrongdoing, those are just the facts.

I don't want the world to end, I just want people to aspire to be better people and to care for one another more. The politics has to lead that from the front as society has shown it can't level the playing field. I don't think the West practices caring very well with broken families being the norm rather than the exception, with governments hell bent on privatising everything they can, with jobs being outsourced in their millions, with state pensions being funneled into hedge funds, with 12 million Americans relying on tips to top up their 2 dollars and 14 cents per hour. It is a sick, sick, state of affairs and I feel little regard for any of the people that have caused it. Would I like to see those responsible brought to account for their crimes against society? Sure, I would. However, I am not advocating nuclear apocalypse or anything so drastic.

As for Walrus, this is a decent place to live and with the right skills and qualifications, you can do well and I do. That however has nothing to do with politics nor Syria. I could be doing the work that I do in 4 dozen countries and my political views would be the same. It is an asinine argument.

Where you live and what you do has everything to do with your world view. You have not been talking about Syria, I really don't think you give a shit about them, you have been talking about America, against whom you are biased. Also, Christianity does not view humans as evil as evidenced by John 3:16. Stop spouting bias in your head as fact.

You forgot to read the Old Testament.

Again you fail to back up your argument and so it is pretty asinine. If there is anything I say about America that is untrue then say it, otherwise it isn't biased and must be true. Also, you clearly know very little about me if you think I wouldn't hold the same views in the UK or in dozens of other countries. My views will only change with concrete policy changes and they haven't materialised which is something that even Lyle recognises in the case of Obama.

Need I remind you that the old testament is pre Christian or does that not fit into your thinking

So you only accept the post rehab God? Fair enough!

it just proves you are making argument against that which you know very little of. It's called contempt prior to investigation.

I am reading the books with as much patience as I can muster. God is a selfish lunatic and the only explanation one can give is that he is a fake manipulated by crude 0 century operators who tried to give him a make over.

He still looks like a cunt, to most ordinary people though.