So the Danes made first trip through the Northwest Passage. Any guess on the cargo?

[Andre]

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs. Then of course you get the lunatic political beliefs with the most bizarre hatred of anything 'socialist' and again accurate defintions fall largely by the way side. It is no surprise that people there can be convinced into disbelieving 95% of the science. It's more than a little bit sad. At least if you are in the minority and defending the view that the earth is still the centre of the solar system, then your view isn't going to affect anybody. You can ignore them without a problem and laugh at them too. Yet, if you are in a sizeable minority (only in America) and have huge lobby groups with vested interests on your side, then that creates a bit of a problem.

Ease up on Lyle mate, he isnt totally wrong, global warming is a tax take and a dollar sham. But its just a group name that we should be addressing anyway. Ozone depletion would be a more truthful name to umbrella most of our troubles under.

[Gandalf]

Lyle is wrong about what is happening, is in lunatic conspiracy theory mode with his denial, and of course there is money to be made in new technology. That's the way of the world, for better or for worse.

My OP in this thread was more a satirical swipe at the way Lyle jumped into the Syria thread by making it all nasty and ridiculous. 'You cannot have an opinion on politics as you teach, you are mad, rargh'. He can fuck off with that shite, the snivelling wretch comes out every now and then just to make it personal.

And then this Walrus weirdo with his profound thread on Elvis is lecturing me and VC and calls me a bigot. Hello Bible! You all must have missed the biblical God who was the biggest bigot of them all. It's no coinicidence that Bible bashers are the biggest deniers of man made global warming. They are the most selfish of all.

[El Kabong]

Ozone depletion would be a more truthful name to umbrella most of our troubles under.

Ozone Hole Shrinks to Record Low | LiveScience





And miles either you were on the wagon (read your last post in the alcohol thread) or you're a lying bastard....either way you should be ashamed of yourself

[Gandalf]

I still have no idea who you are, and I don't know anything about wagons. Your posting proves that you exist, yet I shall deny 100% of any evidence handed to me. I can treat issues the Lyle way. It's the opposite of believing in God where, 0.00000000001% percent possibility of existence is neccessary.

[El Kabong]

I still have no idea who you are, and I don't know anything about wagons. Your posting proves that you exist, yet I shall deny 100% of any evidence handed to me. I can treat issues the Lyle way. It's the opposite of believing in God where, 0.00000000001% percent possibility of existence is neccessary.

That settles that then....read that everyone? I guess we don't need to worry about our threads being taken over by a drunken antisemite and his inane ass kissing allegiance to Noam Chomsky, anymore.....iI think that should brighten up the place quite a bit.

[Gandalf]

I dispute the character assassination with the assertion that I am actually a fairy unicorn thing and that is all there is to say on that.

[El Kabong]

I dispute the character assassination with the assertion that I am actually a fairy unicorn thing and that is all there is to say on that.

....and you are?

[Beanz]

It's not the job of the rational majority to provide quotes to back up what the scientific community agree has a 95% likelihood of being influenced by mankind. The fact that their is a 5% wiggle room for debate just proves the validity of the process.

[VictorCharlie]

The 95% line is misleading though GB. Yes the earth is getting warmer, yes humans affect the climate but a 98% failure in anthropogenic models shows that outside of those generlizations they don't understand much and we shouldn't allow people to politicize these issues and fundamentally change energy policy.

[Beanz]

So you think continuing to burn fossil fuels is not problematic ?

[Beanz]

Oh my God!!!! Extra humidity and water vapour! We are all doomed. At least we won't get asthma.

[Andre]

Ozone depletion would be a more truthful name to umbrella most of our troubles under.

Ozone Hole Shrinks to Record Low | LiveScience





And miles either you were on the wagon (read your last post in the alcohol thread) or you're a lying bastard....either way you should be ashamed of yourself

Lyle it isnt Earth in a cycle, we did something about cfc emissions, specially banning the use in all aerosol cans, We are shrinking what we once enlarged through action.

The effects of the original growth of the two holes are still here though,reef deaths through sun bleaching,now reefs are taken over by star fish depleting them further,water temp changes that cause elnino and other current reversals have effects on weather crops etc. Cancers are still here from no ozone protection and the melting/shrinking of the ice caps is the last worry still occurring, but that may reverse.

The European Space Agency claims that the Antarctic ozone layer hole has shrunk to a historic low due to CFC reductions.

[VictorCharlie]

Ozone Hole Science Revisited - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Current science puts the whole CFC/Ozone depletion theory on its ear. We simply don't understand these things nearly as well as we think we do.

[Andre]

Ozone Hole Science Revisited - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Current science puts the whole CFC/Ozone depletion theory on its ear. We simply don't understand these things nearly as well as we think we do.

Interesting read thanks.

I think from what I've read; beef farts and open air dumps that are not capped off and burned or collected - methane emissions are also a factor as well as jet engines, aside from industry and car fume.

Most of those are poison gas and rarley occur naturally from volcanoes and the like, so really you have to conclude the majority is probably fucking over the natural balance somewhat; dont you recon?

Also logic sort of points to that we've dropped immisions and the hole has shrunk some.

Its not 'on its ear' either when you read the last few paragraphs of both the scientist -Rex and the authors note.

Nothing currently suggests that the role of CFCs must be called into question, Rex stresses. "Overwhelming evidence still suggests that anthropogenic emissions of CFCs and halons are the reason for the ozone loss. But we would be on much firmer ground if we could write down the correct chemical reactions."
Of course, it may be that Rex's research has gone wrong somehow or that another chemical mechanism involving CFCs will turn out to be chiefly responsible for ozone depletion. Nevertheless, it is good to keep in mind that all scientific results are provisional and may change in the light of new evidence.






By the way, for anyone who cares about my own take on the ozone hole/CFC issue, in chapter 8 of my 1993 book, Eco-Scam: The False Prophets of Ecological Apocalypse, I concluded:

Despite a great deal of continuing scientific uncertainty, it appears that CFCs do contribute to the creation of the Antarctic ozone hole and perhaps to a tiny amount of global ozone depletion. If CFCs were allowed to build up in the atmosphere during the next century, ozone depletion might eventually entail significant costs. More ultraviolet light reaching the surface would require adaptation—switching to new crop varieties, for example—and it might boost the incidence of nonfatal skin cancer. In light of these costs, it makes sense to phase out the use of CFCs.