So the Danes made first trip through the Northwest Passage. Any guess on the cargo?

[Gandalf]

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs. Then of course you get the lunatic political beliefs with the most bizarre hatred of anything 'socialist' and again accurate defintions fall largely by the way side. It is no surprise that people there can be convinced into disbelieving 95% of the science. It's more than a little bit sad. At least if you are in the minority and defending the view that the earth is still the centre of the solar system, then your view isn't going to affect anybody. You can ignore them without a problem and laugh at them too. Yet, if you are in a sizeable minority (only in America) and have huge lobby groups with vested interests on your side, then that creates a bit of a problem.

[VictorCharlie]

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs.

Vast swathes? If Lyle shouldn't talk about global warming you damn sure shouldn't opine about what the American people are like. Your ignorance and bigotry about what Americans are like is only surpassed by your willingness to express that ignorance.

[walrus]

I have no problems with people who hold those beleifs. They are very much in the minority. I am a Catholic, yes the hated Catholic Church. We dont beleive in the 10,000 year thing and beleive that science and faith do not oppose each other. A Catholic priest was on a team that developed the Big Bang Theory and it is supported in the Church. The Catholic Church beleives the Theory of evolution does not conflict with Church teachings. Alright, let the Catholic bashing begin.

[Andre]

I have no problems with people who hold those beleifs. They are very much in the minority. I am a Catholic, yes the hated Catholic Church. We dont beleive in the 10,000 year thing and beleive that science and faith do not oppose each other. A Catholic priest was on a team that developed the Big Bang Theory and it is supported in the Church. The Catholic Church beleives the Theory of evolution does not conflict with Church teachings. Alright, let the Catholic bashing begin.

Catholic priests and the big bang theory

The smaller the choir boy the bigger the bang, was that their theory?

Sorry you did ask.

[Andre]

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs. Then of course you get the lunatic political beliefs with the most bizarre hatred of anything 'socialist' and again accurate defintions fall largely by the way side. It is no surprise that people there can be convinced into disbelieving 95% of the science. It's more than a little bit sad. At least if you are in the minority and defending the view that the earth is still the centre of the solar system, then your view isn't going to affect anybody. You can ignore them without a problem and laugh at them too. Yet, if you are in a sizeable minority (only in America) and have huge lobby groups with vested interests on your side, then that creates a bit of a problem.

Ease up on Lyle mate, he isnt totally wrong, global warming is a tax take and a dollar sham. But its just a group name that we should be addressing anyway. Ozone depletion would be a more truthful name to umbrella most of our troubles under.

[Gandalf]

Lyle is wrong about what is happening, is in lunatic conspiracy theory mode with his denial, and of course there is money to be made in new technology. That's the way of the world, for better or for worse.

My OP in this thread was more a satirical swipe at the way Lyle jumped into the Syria thread by making it all nasty and ridiculous. 'You cannot have an opinion on politics as you teach, you are mad, rargh'. He can fuck off with that shite, the snivelling wretch comes out every now and then just to make it personal.

And then this Walrus weirdo with his profound thread on Elvis is lecturing me and VC and calls me a bigot. Hello Bible! You all must have missed the biblical God who was the biggest bigot of them all. It's no coinicidence that Bible bashers are the biggest deniers of man made global warming. They are the most selfish of all.

[Gandalf]

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs.

Vast swathes? If Lyle shouldn't talk about global warming you damn sure shouldn't opine about what the American people are like. Your ignorance and bigotry about what Americans are like is only surpassed by your willingness to express that ignorance.

Typical polls suggest between 40-50% of the populace. I would suggest perhaps that you are the one who lives in ignorance of your own country as there are plenty of articles mostly suggesting that your country is home to tens of millions of science denying, fundamentalist, oddballs. Now at the same time, half the nation appears to be more rational on the issue. Vast swathes was obviously flippant, but appears to be somewhat true.

[Gandalf]

I have no problems with people who hold those beleifs. They are very much in the minority. I am a Catholic, yes the hated Catholic Church. We dont beleive in the 10,000 year thing and beleive that science and faith do not oppose each other. A Catholic priest was on a team that developed the Big Bang Theory and it is supported in the Church. The Catholic Church beleives the Theory of evolution does not conflict with Church teachings. Alright, let the Catholic bashing begin.

To be fair to the Catholic church, it has evolved somewhat, and is once again in a process of evolution. Anything to survive I guess.

Some of the Christians in America appear to be on the right track too in seeing that we have a duty to preserve the planet. However, all too many seem to be of the view that science is there to be denied and because largely you believe in an afterlife, then the future of the earth doesn't really matter. That is a horribly selfish gamble to take.

It doesn't make any logical sense to argue 'Well, some will make some money from this and my fingers are in my ears, evidence be damned'. I swear Lyle has invested all of his money in the coal industry and being a God believing non-parent he thus doesn't give a hoot about the future.

[El Kabong]

And come here to Yukon close to the pole or my neighbour Alaska and ask us if global warming is a fact. Better yet view the effects on any number of cataclysm weather events around this planet that grow in scale yearly not decades. This is all natural? Look as an existentialist its inviting that hole in the sand but quite possibly/probably mentally retarded given the evidence not delivered by God.

You mean like all those hurricanes the east coast HASN'T been hit with recently?

[walrus]

I have no problems with people who hold those beleifs. They are very much in the minority. I am a Catholic, yes the hated Catholic Church. We dont beleive in the 10,000 year thing and beleive that science and faith do not oppose each other. A Catholic priest was on a team that developed the Big Bang Theory and it is supported in the Church. The Catholic Church beleives the Theory of evolution does not conflict with Church teachings. Alright, let the Catholic bashing begin.

To be fair to the Catholic church, it has evolved somewhat, and is once again in a process of evolution. Anything to survive I guess.

Some of the Christians in America appear to be on the right track too in seeing that we have a duty to preserve the planet. However, all too many seem to be of the view that science is there to be denied and because largely you believe in an afterlife, then the future of the earth doesn't really matter. That is a horribly selfish gamble to take.

It doesn't make any logical sense to argue 'Well, some will make some money from this and my fingers are in my ears, evidence be damned'. I swear Lyle has invested all of his money in the coal industry and being a God believing non-parent he thus doesn't give a hoot about the future.

I don't understand. Why was your first response to my post insultive and now you say something decent. I didn't expect that one. By the way, my Elvis post was a joke.

[Gandalf]

The first post was a hurried one having only seen negative posts above. Your post wasn't particularly negative and I later decided when I had a bit more time that you didn't deserve scorn, but a more balanced response. You are one of the few people to agree with Lyle, so maybe I boxed you into being like him too prematurely. I also considered that maybe you were an alias trying to wind me up, but I have changed my mind.

Lyle pisses me off and I get pissy back and it gets silly. You got in the crossfire somewhat and maybe I was unfair to you being angry. I'm not the devil though, whence a change of thought. I have the speech of Rocky at the end of Rocky 4 in my head.

[El Kabong]

The first post was a hurried one having only seen negative posts above. Your post wasn't particularly negative and I later decided when I had a bit more time that you didn't deserve scorn, but a more balanced response. You are one of the few people to agree with Lyle, so maybe I boxed you into being like him too prematurely. I also considered that maybe you were an alias trying to wind me up, but I have changed my mind.

Lyle pisses me off and I get pissy back and it gets silly. You got in the crossfire somewhat and maybe I was unfair to you being angry. I'm not the devil though, whence a change of thought. I have the speech of Rocky at the end of Rocky 4 in my head.

So how's life on the wagon again?

[Gandalf]

Eh? I haven't been on the wagon. Plus I have no idea who you are. If you refuse to join the anteaters then you clearly eat glass and lick vaginas as an anonymous stranger.

[El Kabong]

Ozone depletion would be a more truthful name to umbrella most of our troubles under.

Ozone Hole Shrinks to Record Low | LiveScience





And miles either you were on the wagon (read your last post in the alcohol thread) or you're a lying bastard....either way you should be ashamed of yourself

[Gandalf]

I still have no idea who you are, and I don't know anything about wagons. Your posting proves that you exist, yet I shall deny 100% of any evidence handed to me. I can treat issues the Lyle way. It's the opposite of believing in God where, 0.00000000001% percent possibility of existence is neccessary.