THAT, was NOT "Boxing"- Klitchsko vs. Povetkin.

[erics44]

Sure was an ugly fight. You guys think the result would have been any different without the holding? I do not as Povetkin just doesn't have the tools to beat Wlad. He def would have been more competitive though.

No. But the point is we want to see fair fights and it is bullshit if one fighter gets away with that much fouling. Wlad is a great fighter, but that shit isn't needed. Povetkin was already up against it as Wlad is a completely different class, no need to hold that much.

this gives wlad far too much credit

people say its not the holding that makes him good when in fact it is the holding that makes him good, his whole strategy is based on holding and its not in the rules

if made to fight within the rules we would have a different champion right now

[bzkfn]

Sure was an ugly fight. You guys think the result would have been any different without the holding? I do not as Povetkin just doesn't have the tools to beat Wlad. He def would have been more competitive though.

No. But the point is we want to see fair fights and it is bullshit if one fighter gets away with that much fouling. Wlad is a great fighter, but that shit isn't needed. Povetkin was already up against it as Wlad is a completely different class, no need to hold that much.

this gives wlad far too much credit

people say its not the holding that makes him good when in fact it is the holding that makes him good, his whole strategy is based on holding and its not in the rules

if made to fight within the rules we would have a different champion right now

Not a chance. Povetkin isn't some monster puncher. Wlad was hurting him with every shot. The holding & leaning is bullshit but don't pretend like Wladimir isn't the best Heavyweight in the world. He is leagues above guys like Povetkin. He doesn't just win every fight because of holding. His footwork, stiff jab and powerful right cross have alot to do with it. I hate watching him fight, but I respect his skill set. Blame the referee for not stopping the fouls.

[erics44]

Sure was an ugly fight. You guys think the result would have been any different without the holding? I do not as Povetkin just doesn't have the tools to beat Wlad. He def would have been more competitive though.

No. But the point is we want to see fair fights and it is bullshit if one fighter gets away with that much fouling. Wlad is a great fighter, but that shit isn't needed. Povetkin was already up against it as Wlad is a completely different class, no need to hold that much.

this gives wlad far too much credit

people say its not the holding that makes him good when in fact it is the holding that makes him good, his whole strategy is based on holding and its not in the rules

if made to fight within the rules we would have a different champion right now

Not a chance. Povetkin isn't some monster puncher. Wlad was hurting him with every shot. The holding & leaning is bullshit but don't pretend like Wladimir isn't the best Heavyweight in the world. He is leagues above guys like Povetkin. He doesn't just win every fight because of holding. His footwork, stiff jab and powerful right cross have alot to do with it. I hate watching him fight, but I respect his skill set. Blame the referee for not stopping the fouls.

right we are discussing who would have won if the fight was under the rules of boxing arent we?

you might be right, i might be right but that fact is we will never know because it wasnt and it wasnt even close to being a fair fight, not even close

do you honestly think wlad would have dominated like he has if he was made to fight every fight?

and my opinion is we dont know if wlad is the best HW in the world or not

[bzkfn]

right we are discussing who would have won if the fight was under the rules of boxing arent we?

you might be right, i might be right but that fact is we will never know because it wasnt and it wasnt even close to being a fair fight, not even close

do you honestly think wlad would have dominated like he has if he was made to fight every fight?

and my opinion is we dont know if wlad is the best HW in the world or not

I see what you're saying and I used to argue it myself, but I think using the Povetkin fight is a bad example. With or without it, Povetkin had nothing to offer Klitschko in terms of an even fight. He's not on his level.

I think the Haye fight would have been much more interesting if he wasn't allowed to lean & hold but alot of fighters use dirty tactics. I've learnt that Boxing is about what you can get away with in a Boxing ring. Hatton used to hold and maul fighters and it was bending the rules. Really, if the referee is doing nothing about it then my advice to foul him right back. The sport couldn't be dirtier anyway. Broner kicked Malignaggi in the balls this year for fucks sake. Watch Bradley try and headbutt his way to another decision on Saturday. Until something is done to govern the sport correctly, "name" fighters will go unpunished, shady judges will get away with handing out dodgy decisions and the same referee who did nothing about blatent fouling will go out and do the same job next week.

Wlad is highly skilled. He wins his fights. I think he's proven he's the best out there. If he's fouling, it is up to the referee to stop him. Otherwise, it's fair game.

[erics44]

right we are discussing who would have won if the fight was under the rules of boxing arent we?

you might be right, i might be right but that fact is we will never know because it wasnt and it wasnt even close to being a fair fight, not even close

do you honestly think wlad would have dominated like he has if he was made to fight every fight?

and my opinion is we dont know if wlad is the best HW in the world or not

I see what you're saying and I used to argue it myself, but I think using the Povetkin fight is a bad example. With or without it, Povetkin had nothing to offer Klitschko in terms of an even fight. He's not on his level.

I think the Haye fight would have been much more interesting if he wasn't allowed to lean & hold but alot of fighters use dirty tactics. I've learnt that Boxing is about what you can get away with in a Boxing ring. Hatton used to hold and maul fighters and it was bending the rules. Really, if the referee is doing nothing about it then my advice to foul him right back. The sport couldn't be dirtier anyway. Broner kicked Malignaggi in the balls this year for fucks sake. Watch Bradley try and headbutt his way to another decision on Saturday. Until something is done to govern the sport correctly, "name" fighters will go unpunished, shady judges will get away with handing out dodgy decisions and the same referee who did nothing about blatent fouling will go out and do the same job next week.

Wlad is highly skilled. He wins his fights. I think he's proven he's the best out there. If he's fouling, it is up to the referee to stop him. Otherwise, it's fair game.

i honestly dont think you can say whether provetkin would have had more success or not because every time he moved forward wlad held him

and i dont think you can compare wlads holding to hattons, hatton went in punched, stoped for a second, did a bit of grappling then punched again

wlad jabs and then holds and leans and does anything but punch

and all of the other cheating you mention is not anywhere near the extreme of wlads, wlad holds and leans every few seconds of every round,

I can accept that there is an arguement to say that if you stopped wlad from holding then youd have to stop bradley from head butting, i think in terms of extemity a better example is ward, but even ward whos hit and hold tactics are extreme, they arent even in the same world as wlads

[bzkfn]

@erics44, I agree with most of what you're saying. I'm no Klitschko fan. I can't stand him. I think the holding and leaning is excessive and it should be stamped out, but after so many fights of no referee really punishing him for it until a fight is pretty much out of the opponents hands, I have chosen to assume it must be legal.

What I don't agree with is how anyone can argue Povetkin is on Klitschko's level. It terms of skill, they are leagues apart and I don't think you can argue he had anything to offer Wlad.

[erics44]

@erics44 , I agree with most of what you're saying. I'm no Klitschko fan. I can't stand him. I think the holding and leaning is excessive and it should be stamped out, but after so many fights of no referee really punishing him for it until a fight is pretty much out of the opponents hands, I have chosen to assume it must be legal.

What I don't agree with is how anyone can argue Povetkin is on Klitschko's level. It terms of skill, they are leagues apart and I don't think you can argue he had anything to offer Wlad.

i dont think there is any boxing skill in what klitchko does, in particular what he was doing on saturday night, after the fight i still dont know who would have won in a boxing match

what he is doing is fouling, out of all the other sports i have an interest in very rarely do you get away with fouling

Theres a lot of money involved so he is allowed to get away with it, the wlad klit situation goes a long way as evidence of boxing being the most corrupt of main stream sports

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