Marquez VS Mayweather 2?

[outspoken]

Okay guys hear me out before you jump in here and reference the first fight between Marquez-Mayweather. They first fought in 09 and yes Mayweather completely dominated that fight. But you have to account for some things. Marquez jumped from lightweight all the way to 147 and then Mayweather came in 2 pounds over that limit.

A guy jumping 2 weight classes and fighting an overlimit champion you have to admit is clearly a disadvantage. Some will argue Mayweather had just came out of retirement but if you follow Mayweather you know he is ALWAYS in the gym and he was always in the gym during his 'retirement'.

Just look at what post prison Mayweather has done. This is clearly a guy who keeps himself in shape no matter what.

Marquez has gone 5-1 since. With the only loss being a controversial decision against Pacquiao who he then knocked out. He has clearly settled in at that weight adding muscle to his frame.

It's pretty clear that this Marquez would be more competitive than the undersized lightweight who came up to fight Floyd.

It's also not a crazy thing to say he's 6-0 after Floyd. If he was to beat Bradley who is a top talent in the division, is this not a fight that would interest you?

At the very least you have to admit that he has some what earn his way to at least be considered.

I feel that Marquez, Cotto would be about the only competitive fights for him at 147. I know Cotto still has to earn a shot maybe Cotto-Marquez for a Mayweather rematch ... that could be big? and who's to argue the winner does not deserve a shot.

I'm not looking over Bradley but I just think Bradley is not on Marquez's level and to top it off I'm skeptical that Bradley is not even the same fighter. Come on a guy that slurs his words and has trouble with speech till after two months from his fight has to seriously consider his health.

I don't buy the Khan-Mayweather, Garcia-Mayweather fights as being competitive. I'd probably rather watch Mayweather-Pacquiao before those.. But right now I believe Marquez-Cotto to be Mayweathers best suited rival.

[jon09]

Marquez don't want no part of Money May. It would be the same outcome just like the 1st fight.

[IamInuit]

Floyd is not big on rematches.The only reason Castillo got one is because the first fight was so close.

[walrus]

I agree with you. I don't think you can compare what happened in 09 to what the fight would be like today. Yes, Floyd would probably win but I don't think it would be a blowout. I'm sure a rematch is not in Floyd's target but if the ppv #s were good for Canelo I am sure another Mexican star would be a big money maker. At this point when I watch Floyd fight I don't expect him to lose, I just want to see him face some competition for an interesting fight.

[Beanflicker]

I don't buy it. All people could talk about from the get go was weight: Floyd being the bigger man, Floyd missing weight, ect.

Floyd didn't win because he was bigger. He won because everything JMM does, PBF does better. The advantages you usually associate with the smaller guy (speed, agility, skill) all belonged to Floyd. He was the better boxer, the better counter puncher, the better everything.

JMM loses to Floyd regardless of what weight they fight at.

[ElTerribleMorales]

IMO Floyd could have stopped him easily the first fight he pretty much let up and stopped pressing so hard after he dropped him in the 2nd, and you have to remember that in that fight Floyd was coming off of a long lay off as well, a rematch wouldn't be any different because Marquez still wouldn't be able to counter Floyd, Marquez should either A) fight the Broner/Maidana winner B.) Khan, or just retire cause he's already had a long storied career and not much left out there other being coaxed into a Pacquiao rematch

[ruthless rocco]

One big difference between '09 and '14 is that JMM probably won't agree to the testing.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Marquez has made it clear that there would never be a rematch.. he is one of the few honest boxers who admitted that his style can never beat floyd.

By now, we all know that marquez is a man who keeps his words and marches to his own beat..he turned down pacman 5 for career high payday so what makes anybody think that he will rematch a guy who dominated him..

Its not even worth talking about cuz a floyd rematch is the last thing on his mind.

[jehoshaphat]

Okay guys hear me out before you jump in here and reference the first fight between Marquez-Mayweather. They first fought in 09 and yes Mayweather completely dominated that fight. But you have to account for some things. Marquez jumped from lightweight all the way to 147 and then Mayweather came in 2 pounds over that limit.

A guy jumping 2 weight classes and fighting an overlimit champion you have to admit is clearly a disadvantage. Some will argue Mayweather had just came out of retirement but if you follow Mayweather you know he is ALWAYS in the gym and he was always in the gym during his 'retirement'.

Just look at what post prison Mayweather has done. This is clearly a guy who keeps himself in shape no matter what.

Marquez has gone 5-1 since. With the only loss being a controversial decision against Pacquiao who he then knocked out. He has clearly settled in at that weight adding muscle to his frame.

It's pretty clear that this Marquez would be more competitive than the undersized lightweight who came up to fight Floyd.

It's also not a crazy thing to say he's 6-0 after Floyd. If he was to beat Bradley who is a top talent in the division, is this not a fight that would interest you?

At the very least you have to admit that he has some what earn his way to at least be considered.

I feel that Marquez, Cotto would be about the only competitive fights for him at 147. I know Cotto still has to earn a shot maybe Cotto-Marquez for a Mayweather rematch ... that could be big? and who's to argue the winner does not deserve a shot.

I'm not looking over Bradley but I just think Bradley is not on Marquez's level and to top it off I'm skeptical that Bradley is not even the same fighter. Come on a guy that slurs his words and has trouble with speech till after two months from his fight has to seriously consider his health.

I don't buy the Khan-Mayweather, Garcia-Mayweather fights as being competitive. I'd probably rather watch Mayweather-Pacquiao before those.. But right now I believe Marquez-Cotto to be Mayweathers best suited rival.

Mayweather never came in 2 pounds over 147. He came in 2 pounds over the catchweight of 144 so he came in at 146. And even Marquez said he didn't want a Mayweather rematch because of how the fight went. Dude he had one of the best counter punchers of all time whiffing on a regular basis. Weight actually had nothing to do with that win. Mayweather beat him at all the smaller guy things. As one poster said...everything Marquez does Mayweather does better. Its true. Marquez now knows its a terrible style and situational match up. Out timing/out countering Mayweather I do agree with your point that a win over Bradley makes Marquez the most deserving but the man got shut out. Hard to sell that at $65+ per on PPV.

[IamInuit]

There is no reason for a rematch. Marquez knocking out Manny after 4 tries is not relevant.

[armin]

There is no reason for a rematch. Marquez knocking out Manny after 4 tries is not relevant.

agreed unless he just obliterates bradley in dominating fashion and then like 2 more big names at that point he may have fought himself into a rematch, not that i'd want to see it or that i think the outcome would be different.

[Ron Swanson]

Marquez isn't better because he bulked up, he just different. He's stronger but he's slower, that won't help against a guy he can't hit. Plus muscle burns energy, I'll bet dollars to donuts he gasses first fight that gets to the championship rounds .

[Spicoli]

Both have risen above it and no need for another go, but stature wise and numbers...I would not rule it out at all. Still think the fight was strictly about mythical "P4P" standing for Floyd and was in the works for a bit, he also came in well overweight but it was what it was. Hated that match up and thought Floyd used it to backdoor his way back into 'relevance' after long absence. I'd personally like to see Marquez take care of Bradley and call it a career.

[powerpuncher]

i understand that maybe he would have earned a rematch, BUT that doesnt mean the rematch should happen. marquez will not be able to beat mayweather. it just wont happen. if JMM doesnt retire, there are fights out there for him that will raise his stock to climb the all time ranking lists. im not saying that he will be anywhere near the top, just saying that if he beats bradley and can beat another 2 top guys, he will solidify himself as an all time great without any argument.

im actually still of the opinion that JMM and pacquiao are about equal all time whether or not anybody wants to agree with me.

[Violent Demise]

It's not possible for Marquez to beat Mayweather. Muthafukkas don't understand that Marquez success now is due more to intelligence than it is skill. Marquez has been out skilled plenty of times. He's faced stronger and faster fighters. Pacquiao owned every advantage over Marquez. He was younger. Stronger. Faster. More explosive. And had a better chin. On paper Pacquiao should of run over him. But he couldn't. Why? Cuz Marquez is one of boxings smartest fighters. If not the smartest. Top 3 no doubt. He can counter the power and speed advantages he gives up with intelligence. Intelligence-wise Pacquiao is in the top 3,000,000. No where near top 3. There's a huge gap between Marquez advance intelligence and Pacquiao's remedial intelligence. Which is why despite being out skilled he can beat Pac. Problem when facing Mayweather is he was facing a fighter who can match his boxing intelligence. Mayweather's intelligence off sets Marquez intelligence. So it becomes a battle of skills. Which Marquez loses.