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[SugarBoxing]

If man is down a hole in the desert do you think it is the will of the Father

Bible promises that "all things work together for good in the life of a believer", though "the things" separetely might not be good. If joseph brothers did not put him into the hole ... he might not end up as the second man in Egypt. God used all shit in his life to promote him

lasr but not leasr, God is good and all the time, there is none good but God

I asked as a Christian,would you help someone out of a hole or would you leave them there thinking it is the will of God.

About Sabbath - since we are no longer under "The Law", it does not matter when it is actually anymore. Nobody needs to keep it
Exact name of Jesus also does not matter, since christianity is not a "religion", but relationship with God,
formality is dagerous

Second, question. I do not have to do it to please God. But if I really can intervene and help, I might, though the chance is little. Happy now? I believe a prayer is the best weapon

Last but not least, we christian have the holy spirit that leads us. There are no ''rules", sometimes it is better to leave the man in the hole, sometimes - better save him. Christians live life, not follow rules and guidances

Your older post:

Yeshua, would not agree with that analogy for Earthly matters. He said you get what you earn and you die by what you live by, which means change or go by the same way you choose. Same with judgment of others;you get judged by the same measurement (rod)you judge others by.

you take so many stuff out of context. Ask yourself first who he was talking to? He told all these to law-keeping Jews to show that if they want to earn righteousness by the law -keeping - there are no compromises and it gets really hard: "you get what you earn and you die by what you live by, which means change or go by the same way you choose. Same with judgment of others;you get judged by the same measurement (rod)you judge others by".

He also said not all who call on my name will be saved;that also points to real action and compassion for others being the true way, for the true believers.

Bullshit. Salvation is only through faith. However, once you get on the right track with God, the fruits of it (not works of it) will be compassion and other nice things

[Andre]

The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

[walrus]

The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written close to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

[Andre]

The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written closets to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

I agree there are wonderful people within the Catholic church, I work along side many of them on neutral ground. But in one section, over in Africa the hierarchy of the Catholic church got us shunned out of a resort that they apparently co owned, because we do healing/prayer work with kids in villages the original Christian way for free, not their way or through them.

[walrus]

The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written closets to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

I agree there are wonderful people within the Catholic church, I work along side many of them on neutral ground. But in one section, over in Africa the hierarchy of the Catholic church got us shunned out of a resort that they apparently co owned, because we do healing/prayer work with kids in villages the original Christian way for free, not their way or through them.

Thanks, I expected the usual "bunch of pedophiles" response. I am interested to hear what it is you do. I don't like to come here and argue of these matters as I enjoy the boxing aspects and the too and fro on the serious stuff takes away from the enjoyment. On a positive side, the arguments about boxing, nationalities and other matters around here are priceless. Some of the funniest things I've come across.

[walrus]

The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written closets to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

I agree there are wonderful people within the Catholic church, I work along side many of them on neutral ground. But in one section, over in Africa the hierarchy of the Catholic church got us shunned out of a resort that they apparently co owned, because we do healing/prayer work with kids in villages the original Christian way for free, not their way or through them.

Thanks, I expected the usual "bunch of pedophiles" response. I am interested to hear what it is you do. I don't like to come here and argue of these matters as I enjoy the boxing aspects and the too and fro on the serious stuff takes away from the enjoyment. On a positive side, the arguments about boxing, nationalities and other matters around here are priceless. Some of the funniest things I've come across.

Actually, I can be arguing prick just as much as the next guy, I think I'm just mellow lately.

[Gandalf]

I saw on the news that the authorites found drugs on the ship. Not weed, but seemingly harder stuff. If this is true, then they are a bunch of dumb bastards. I've nothing against the use of drugs, but there is a time and place.

[Andre]

He also said not all who call on my name will be saved;that also points to real action and compassion for others being the true way, for the true believers.

Bullshit. Salvation is only through faith. However, once you get on the right track with God, the fruits of it (not works of it) will be compassion and other nice things

Matthew 7:21 – “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven …”

[Andre]

Dont you think that is because those ones who only call on the name, dont walk the walk, they are all talk no action?

[Beanz]

The trouble with activism is that there are to many activists. Greenpeace is as big a multinational as those it protests against. It fuels them lol as it did the boat motors and expense they committed to which allowed the protest. Its the very reason Watson quit and the very reason I quit the Sierra Club 25 years ago. Walmart activism. The fossil fuel war ends with the supply. Same with drugs. It remains to be seen whether we witness either.

The trouble with activism is that there are to many activists. Greenpeace is as big a multinational as those it protests against. It fuels them lol as it did the boat motors and expense they committed to which allowed the protest. Its the very reason Watson quit and the very reason I quit the Sierra Club 25 years ago. Walmart activism. The fossil fuel war ends with the supply. Same with drugs. It remains to be seen whether we witness either.

Watson and Sea shepherd, gotta love that action its for real; now that can be seen as piracy of sorts.

But Green peace? Like you say, they are far from it, even lame.

Sounds like this piracy action is a legal manipulation from business insiders to drain Greenpeace funds so the same big business can go onto plunder natural reserves unheeded. I bet down the track the lawyers, politicians police etc that keep Greenpeace off their backs will get their big kick backs or future funding taken care of.

Gazprom are one of the largest companies in the world. Greenpeace foundation have done nothing to highlight the problems associated with drilling in the Arctic. I am not a member of either organisation, what you would call the multi national or the original Vancouver based charity. What Russia is doing in bastardising a law for piracy that does not apply here is wrong though. Imprisoning people on behalf of a company is what it is and it took me no time to sign to say I think such behaviour is wrong. Even Putin admitted it was not piracy and as usual many westerners turn away and avert their gaze as Russia does as it pleases.

Drilling for Oil in the Arctic is dangerous,expensive and creates huge risk to wildllife many of which migrate there. In ice and with little hope of a rational and quality response a spill would be disastrous. I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

[Beanflicker]

I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

Here's the reality, though: people, in general, are lazy. Only a small minority will dig deeper into a story.

Just about every article on this situation talks about the act and the consequences. People are told that some activists tried to storm a rig, got arrested for piracy, and are now being refused bail. Only a small blip of these articles (and a lot of times, not even a blip) actually address the actual issues and grievances Greenpeace has.

This is why I hate their methods.

[Andre]

I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

Here's the reality, though: people, in general, are lazy. Only a small minority will dig deeper into a story.

Just about every article on this situation talks about the act and the consequences. People are told that some activists tried to storm a rig, got arrested for piracy, and are now being refused bail. Only a small blip of these articles (and a lot of times, not even a blip) actually address the actual issues and grievances Greenpeace has.

This is why I hate their methods.

Arent those The Sea Shepard methods?

I thought Greenpeace dont storm aboard anything , they just get in the way and video record what people are doing?

[greynotsoold]

I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

Here's the reality, though: people, in general, are lazy. Only a small minority will dig deeper into a story.

Just about every article on this situation talks about the act and the consequences. People are told that some activists tried to storm a rig, got arrested for piracy, and are now being refused bail. Only a small blip of these articles (and a lot of times, not even a blip) actually address the actual issues and grievances Greenpeace has.

This is why I hate their methods.

Arent those The Sea Shepard methods?

I thought Greenpeace dont storm aboard anything , they just get in the way and video record what people are doing?

My understanding is that they boarded the rig.

[SugarBoxing]

Drilling for Oil in the Arctic is dangerous,expensive and creates huge risk to wildllife many of which migrate there. In ice and with little hope of a rational and quality response a spill would be disastrous. I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

What if one day you realize this was one big LIE?

[Beanz]

Drilling for Oil in the Arctic is dangerous,expensive and creates huge risk to wildllife many of which migrate there. In ice and with little hope of a rational and quality response a spill would be disastrous. I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

What if one day you realize this was one big LIE?

What the foundation of your beliefs ?