Take action now- tell Russia : Release the Greenpeace activists

[Andre]

He also said not all who call on my name will be saved;that also points to real action and compassion for others being the true way, for the true believers.

Bullshit. Salvation is only through faith. However, once you get on the right track with God, the fruits of it (not works of it) will be compassion and other nice things

Matthew 7:21 – “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven …”

[Andre]

Dont you think that is because those ones who only call on the name, dont walk the walk, they are all talk no action?

[Beanz]

The trouble with activism is that there are to many activists. Greenpeace is as big a multinational as those it protests against. It fuels them lol as it did the boat motors and expense they committed to which allowed the protest. Its the very reason Watson quit and the very reason I quit the Sierra Club 25 years ago. Walmart activism. The fossil fuel war ends with the supply. Same with drugs. It remains to be seen whether we witness either.

The trouble with activism is that there are to many activists. Greenpeace is as big a multinational as those it protests against. It fuels them lol as it did the boat motors and expense they committed to which allowed the protest. Its the very reason Watson quit and the very reason I quit the Sierra Club 25 years ago. Walmart activism. The fossil fuel war ends with the supply. Same with drugs. It remains to be seen whether we witness either.

Watson and Sea shepherd, gotta love that action its for real; now that can be seen as piracy of sorts.

But Green peace? Like you say, they are far from it, even lame.

Sounds like this piracy action is a legal manipulation from business insiders to drain Greenpeace funds so the same big business can go onto plunder natural reserves unheeded. I bet down the track the lawyers, politicians police etc that keep Greenpeace off their backs will get their big kick backs or future funding taken care of.

Gazprom are one of the largest companies in the world. Greenpeace foundation have done nothing to highlight the problems associated with drilling in the Arctic. I am not a member of either organisation, what you would call the multi national or the original Vancouver based charity. What Russia is doing in bastardising a law for piracy that does not apply here is wrong though. Imprisoning people on behalf of a company is what it is and it took me no time to sign to say I think such behaviour is wrong. Even Putin admitted it was not piracy and as usual many westerners turn away and avert their gaze as Russia does as it pleases.

Drilling for Oil in the Arctic is dangerous,expensive and creates huge risk to wildllife many of which migrate there. In ice and with little hope of a rational and quality response a spill would be disastrous. I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

[Beanflicker]

I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

Here's the reality, though: people, in general, are lazy. Only a small minority will dig deeper into a story.

Just about every article on this situation talks about the act and the consequences. People are told that some activists tried to storm a rig, got arrested for piracy, and are now being refused bail. Only a small blip of these articles (and a lot of times, not even a blip) actually address the actual issues and grievances Greenpeace has.

This is why I hate their methods.

[Andre]

I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

Here's the reality, though: people, in general, are lazy. Only a small minority will dig deeper into a story.

Just about every article on this situation talks about the act and the consequences. People are told that some activists tried to storm a rig, got arrested for piracy, and are now being refused bail. Only a small blip of these articles (and a lot of times, not even a blip) actually address the actual issues and grievances Greenpeace has.

This is why I hate their methods.

Arent those The Sea Shepard methods?

I thought Greenpeace dont storm aboard anything , they just get in the way and video record what people are doing?

[greynotsoold]

I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

Here's the reality, though: people, in general, are lazy. Only a small minority will dig deeper into a story.

Just about every article on this situation talks about the act and the consequences. People are told that some activists tried to storm a rig, got arrested for piracy, and are now being refused bail. Only a small blip of these articles (and a lot of times, not even a blip) actually address the actual issues and grievances Greenpeace has.

This is why I hate their methods.

Arent those The Sea Shepard methods?

I thought Greenpeace dont storm aboard anything , they just get in the way and video record what people are doing?

My understanding is that they boarded the rig.

[Andre]

I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

Here's the reality, though: people, in general, are lazy. Only a small minority will dig deeper into a story.

Just about every article on this situation talks about the act and the consequences. People are told that some activists tried to storm a rig, got arrested for piracy, and are now being refused bail. Only a small blip of these articles (and a lot of times, not even a blip) actually address the actual issues and grievances Greenpeace has.

This is why I hate their methods.

Arent those The Sea Shepard methods?

I thought Greenpeace dont storm aboard anything , they just get in the way and video record what people are doing?

My understanding is that they boarded the rig.

Oh I should read more before throwing in my two bobs worth then.
Never thought Green peace had the balls for such action .

Hand em over to NV Semin and his righteous brother hood of Russian politicians and their just Christian legal system then.

[SugarBoxing]

Drilling for Oil in the Arctic is dangerous,expensive and creates huge risk to wildllife many of which migrate there. In ice and with little hope of a rational and quality response a spill would be disastrous. I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

What if one day you realize this was one big LIE?

[Beanz]

Drilling for Oil in the Arctic is dangerous,expensive and creates huge risk to wildllife many of which migrate there. In ice and with little hope of a rational and quality response a spill would be disastrous. I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

What if one day you realize this was one big LIE?

What the foundation of your beliefs ?

[SugarBoxing]

Drilling for Oil in the Arctic is dangerous,expensive and creates huge risk to wildllife many of which migrate there. In ice and with little hope of a rational and quality response a spill would be disastrous. I don't think risking imprisonment for your beliefs can fairly be called lame, whoever you work/volunteer for. They have created awareness and for that I am grateful.

What if one day you realize this was one big LIE?

What the foundation of your beliefs ?

That's called "Iceman vs Maverick" strategy

When certain people force fear by making others believe something or somebody is "unsafe", and then that they can provide a way out. In reality, these certain people do not care at all actually, they only want control and its benefits. Watched TOP GUN? "I do not like you, because you are dangerous". Greenpeace using the same trick against Gazprom. US government using the same trick with terrorists to force their policy world wide. Russia uses it in certain areas too. That's politics.

P.S. How can a jew be so naive, btw?

[SugarBoxing]

He also said not all who call on my name will be saved;that also points to real action and compassion for others being the true way, for the true believers.

Bullshit. Salvation is only through faith. However, once you get on the right track with God, the fruits of it (not works of it) will be compassion and other nice things

Matthew 7:21 – “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven …”

I am glad that you dig for understanding, but you take stuff out of context again
The first principle is that God favors and respects faith, not person in the first place
If stone could produce faith - he would put them above us.

That quote was referring to the end times if I am not mistaken

[Andre]

Im not one to usually put scripture in here but you need to re read it after saying I have it out of context.

To the rest of you here, apologies: Im not going to make a habit of entering scripture into a thread.Its just I have been to bible college in the past and have done the study as have a couple of others here.

Here is the whole thing script for you so you can re study either side of the one line I suggested that you take on board in regards to judgment of the ones down the hole, so to speak.

It is about judgment of others, it is about action and about doing the will of God above mere talking ,spiritual work opposing demons or preaching to others whats right and wrong.

You can tell them by their fruits, is saying you can tell who is who by their works,by what they produce in life.

It says dont preach at others in judgment of them or you will be judged by the same rod you hold over them.

The only part that could be thought to about to be anything to do with end times (as you have stated) is the bit about entering into heaven.

But we all know that the same book also states 'The kingdom of heaven is within'.

That verse also goes onto say: those types who say "low it is here or it is there" are the same talkers,controllers and judgmental types and know not that it is within because they point to it being external and lead others astray.

Anyway here it is in full for you to re study.



1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.



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[SugarBoxing]

What is your question actually?
Lets define what do you refer to as "judgement"

[walrus]

Im not one to usually put scripture in here but you need to re read it after saying I have it out of context.

To the rest of you here, apologies: Im not going to make a habit of entering scripture into a thread.Its just I have been to bible college in the past and have done the study as have a couple of others here.

Here is the whole thing script for you so you can re study either side of the one line I suggested that you take on board in regards to judgment of the ones down the hole, so to speak.

It is about judgment of others, it is about action and about doing the will of God above mere talking ,spiritual work opposing demons or preaching to others whats right and wrong.

You can tell them by their fruits, is saying you can tell who is who by their works,by what they produce in life.

It says dont preach at others in judgment of them or you will be judged by the same rod you hold over them.

The only part that could be thought to about to be anything to do with end times (as you have stated) is the bit about entering into heaven.

But we all know that the same book also states 'The kingdom of heaven is within'.

That verse also goes onto say: those types who say "low it is here or it is there" are the same talkers,controllers and judgmental types and know not that it is within because they point to it being external and lead others astray.

Anyway here it is in full for you to re study.



1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.



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These are amongst my favorite quotes. I use number six quite often when I get in a heated discussions at times. Even for the non believers there is profound thought in the Bible.