Kelly Pavlik RULED

[Beanflicker]

So underrated this guy. Huge power, great workrate, underrated boxing skill. He was outboxing Martinez until the cut IMO.

It's a shame he let the booze ruin him as a fighter, he was really fun to watch.

[Beanflicker]

Boxing needs more fights like this, and less like Klitschko/Povetkin!

[ElTerribleMorales]

Kelly proved that he wasn't able to deal with adversity and was mentally weak when pushed, he would crumble which is a shame

[Beanflicker]

What? when was this proved?

[Memphis]

Say what you like about the guy the Miranda fight was special. Gripping fight that looked like it could go either way.

[Memphis]

Say what you like about the guy the Miranda fight was special. Gripping fight that looked like it could go either way.

Actually scratch that, it seemed a nip and tuck fight when I watched it live. Pavlik pretty much steam rolled him.

Great fight, Larry getting all steamed up and Lennox providing shite commentary. It had it all.

[armin]

Kelly proved that he wasn't able to deal with adversity and was mentally weak when pushed, he would crumble which is a shame

I don't think mentally weak is accurate, he never quit that takes a certain fortitude...he did lack the ability to adapt inside the ring and obviously his inner demons outside the ring are proving/proved to much to overcome to have a long career.

[p4pking]

I think he lacked the physical tools to adapt to certain styles, he wasn't remotely "weak" or anything like that. He was a great accumulative puncher when he got into a rhythm, but since he wasn't nearly as fast or slick as some he sort of died by the same sword once he was getting beat to the punch. Perhaps he wasn't always in top condition, and he didn't have a rock solid chin either, but there was never a point in a fight where he stopped trying to win imo.

[El Kabong]

Taylor beat him in the rematch, FACT

[Violent Demise]

I think he lacked the physical tools to adapt to certain styles, he wasn't remotely "weak" or anything like that. He was a great accumulative puncher when he got into a rhythm, but since he wasn't nearly as fast or slick as some he sort of died by the same sword once he was getting beat to the punch. Perhaps he wasn't always in top condition, and he didn't have a rock solid chin either, but there was never a point in a fight where he stopped trying to win imo.

Go watch the Hopkins fight. He pretty much stopped trying the last half of the fight. He continued coming forward but everybody knew he needed a knock out. And he never even tried for it. Hopkins exposed him as being one-dimensional. Hopkins took away Trinidad's left hook and left him hopeless. With Pavlik he took away his right hand. Pavlik had no idea what to do than.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Kelly proved that he wasn't able to deal with adversity and was mentally weak when pushed, he would crumble which is a shame

I don't think mentally weak is accurate, he never quit that takes a certain fortitude...he did lack the ability to adapt inside the ring and obviously his inner demons outside the ring are proving/proved to much to overcome to have a long career.

he had heart, but I mean that he wasn't able to deal with emotion in a positive way, it reflected in and out of the ring

[IamInuit]

Kelly proved that he wasn't able to deal with adversity and was mentally weak when pushed, he would crumble which is a shame

I don't think mentally weak is accurate, he never quit that takes a certain fortitude...he did lack the ability to adapt inside the ring and obviously his inner demons outside the ring are proving/proved to much to overcome to have a long career.

That is pretty much the thick of it but @ElTerribleMorales has a point even if he was just referencing the Hopkins fight. I kept telling people that the old dog was going to school him because his rinse and repeat style was ready made for Hop.I think that fight took him over the edge. He believed all of his own hype and the pundits that had him as the huge favourite in the fight. He was most likely already teetering on the edge or at least well into the pickling process before that fight but after that the guy was done really.