Kelly Pavlik RULED

[Violent Demise]

I've seen that fight a handful of times. I know you have a pretty broad idea of what giving up means, but I don't buy that. He couldn't land flush on Hopkins late on, all of his energy was being used against him the whole fight, that's exactly what I meant. Had he tried to force the issue he would have most likely gotten knocked out himself. He was kept on a leash and had his output reduced to nothing, but he was still trying. There's a difference between not being effective and not going postal and getting stretchered out once you're behind.

Obviously he didn't quit. And yes he was still coming forward throwing the same thing over and over. But like I said everybody knew he needed a knock out. And he never went for it. He had accepted his defeat

[armin]

I like pavlik and even as late as till a few months ago was hoping he would make a successful comeback. hell the only person who outclassed him was hop, and he was just the latest in a long line of many who that happened to. As it is now I just wish him the best and hope that he can overcome his addictions and lead a relatively normal life, hopefully he doesn't pop in the news in the future for something worse than "skipped out on cab fare".

[IamInuit]

Yup. Many were never the same after Hop. Tito, Taylor, Tarver, Pavlik and maybe Cloud.

[El Kabong]

Yup. Many were never the same after Hop. Tito, Taylor, Tarver, Pavlik and maybe Cloud.

Cloud is a pressure fighter, he just aged out of being effective as pressure fighters are want to do

[brocktonblockbust]

goddammmm!!!!!!!!!!!! i just watched the first 2 rounds and its a fucking slugfest from the 20's holky fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[erics44]

i enjoyed pavlik

his first win over taylor was a cracking fight and a very nice KO

[bzkfn]

I would say he was overrated if anything. The guy was billed as the second coming of Tommy Hearns and he didn't really dominate the division like people thought he would. He was a massively entertaining fighter though and I always enjoyed watching him scrap.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Pavlik was on a wreck for a short time. At his best, he was really something..

The loss to bernard affected him alot..

[Gandalf]

Pavlik was a very good fighter and the reason he lost to Hopkins so badly was largely the fact that it was at LHW when Pavlik was a MW. He should never have signed the fight. It was a stupid decision. Hopkins had grown into the weight and Pavlik thought he would walk through a LHW. Silly.

Pavliks other loss to Martinez was a close fight and the best win Martinez has. Pavlik had worked him out in the middle rounds, but got cut, and you sense that like with Hatton towards the end, his stamina simply wasn't there like it had been. That was the difference.

Pavlik lost heart and I was disappointed that he retired. Obviously he was quite troubled and changing trainers wasn't the answer as the problems with Pavlik were there in his hometown too.

Pavlik achieved a lot and did very well, but I just feel that he could have been a bit more.

[Fenster]

He was the underdog against Miranda and obviously Taylor. So you could argue he overachieved. There are numerous examples of people handling the role of underdog much easier than favourite.