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there is always a debate on how good calzaghe actually was. i always say that he was a good, not great fighter. he had a few solid wins but that was it. really kessler and bhop are his only wins that i consider good. he had a fews others like bika, eubank or reid that were alright. the rest didnt mean much. i remember negotiations being made earlier in his career for him to fight bhop, jones, and glen johnson. they all fell through. he didnt have many good fighters around him, but he could have definitely negotiated weight to make better fights than he had.

and i cant believe that anyone would ever think margarito was anywhere near a HOF fighter. he is garbage. even when he cheated he was a B class fighter.
That's simply not the truth and I'm not sure why people continue to say it. There were never any negotiations made between any of those three mentioned. He was not going to come down to 160 to fight Hopkins and Jones was long gone to 175 at a time when Joe was just starting to break stride.

I also take issue with you saying Joe was not a great fighter. You seem to base this on the fact that his ledger is not full of household names. With or without fighting twenty other greats, Joe Calzaghe is still a great fighter. From a boxing standpoint he's a brilliant fighter and stand out skill wise and as I've said before you could probably count the number of guys that could have beaten him at 168 on one hand over the course of history. If that's not great then I dont know what is.
there were negotiations. i remember specifically all those fights being agreed to. i know that against johnson, calzaghe pulled out because of injury and then the fight never ended up happening. im thinking jones was the same sort of thing but i cant say for sure. but i know for sure there were definitely talks.

and with a weak resume, it all goes off of the eye test. and from the eye test, calzaghe never looked like a truly great fighter. ive seen him fight a lot but the only fight i thought he looked impressive in was the lacy fight which we found out later was a total bum. he had some other good wins but never looked super impressive by any means which is why i consider him very good but not great.