Prime Nigel Benn vs Prime Joe Calzaghe

[ykdadamaja]

The only fighter in recent history that could have beaten Joe Calzaghe at Middle or Super Middle was Roy Jones in Jones's prime.

Roy Jones before he made Light Heavyweight was the man and always will be the man. No one compares aside form Ray Robinson, who I feel Roy would school if they ever fought in their primes.

To me at Middleweight to Super Middleweight:
1. Roy Jones
2. Ray Robinson
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Carlos Monzon
5. Joe Calzaghe

[Britkid]

I think Benn improved no end in the early 90s, and I am sure he would of given Calzaghe plenty to think about, but in the end I believe Joe would have edged it over 12 rounds.

[mikeeod]

Roy was unorthodox n unbelievably talented, but prime SRR has too many dimensions for Roy. Hagler, BHOP, Leonard most likely beat him also. I do agree that Roy beats Joe prime vs prime, most likely by knockout.

[mikeeod]

Why shouldn't Hop be mentioned alongside Monzon, Hagler...etc.?!? At this point in his career I can't see how anyone can still try n discredit his ability n accomplishments.

[SugarBoxing]

Why shouldn't Hop be mentioned alongside Monzon, Hagler...etc.?!? At this point in his career I can't see how anyone can still try n discredit his ability n accomplishments.

No power and no speed, dirty, not otherworldly ring tricks. Solid, but not special

[mikeeod]

Hop fought Roy, Joe C, Tito, Oscar, Winky, Tarver, Cloud, Taylor, Pavilik, Dawson, Glenn Johnson, Jean Pasquale and list to Roy when Hop was still green, and Taylor (disputed both times), Joe C(disputed) n Dawson when Hop was WELL past his best days. Everyone of those guys I listed above, except for Johnson at the time, were ranked p4p when Hop beat them throw in tough challengers like John Davud Jackson, Keith Holmes, Joe lipsey, William Joppy, Robert Allen, n Antwun Echols n u have an ATG resume. Record 20 successful defenses, lineal middleweight n lt heavy(x 2). No way u can discredit Hop at this point. Only fellow ATG fighters like Manny n Floyd have that class of resume.

[mikeeod]

No power?!? Semin, r u new to the sport? Prime Hop was a beast. For a while he held the record for fastest k.o. In a title fight. As he aged Hop morphed into the clever, defensively minded fighter u see today. In his prime however, he had power to spare (but was a little crude). The Hop that beat Tito would have hung even with greats of the past such as Hagler, Monzon, n Robinson. There was no area of the sport that Hop of that time wasn't great at.

[SugarBoxing]

No power?!? Semin, r u new to the sport? Prime Hop was a beast. For a while he held the record for fastest k.o. In a title fight. As he aged Hop morphed into the clever, defensively minded fighter u see today. In his prime however, he had power to spare (but was a little crude). The Hop that beat Tito would have hung even with greats of the past such as Hagler, Monzon, n Robinson. There was no area of the sport that Hop of that time wasn't great at.

That's my current opinion.

[smashup]

Calzaghe loved a tear up but wasn't always a good move, Kessler was outgunning him early on and JC had to go to plan B , adjust and box him silly.
I reckon Benn would have put him on his ass early in the fight in a mad exchange then JC would have done the same again and won by pure boxing skill and speed.
Def think he'd have walked onto wild Nigel hook tho.

Would have been some fight that ;-)

[mikeeod]

Also, while Benn was a one dimensional puncher early in his career, he morphed into a complete fighter during his reign at 168. Had he not developed his defense n boxing ability he wouldn't have lasted two rounds with G-Man in their fight.

[SugarBoxing]

To me at Middleweight to Super Middleweight:
1. Roy Jones
2. Ray Robinson

Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards

[Master]

To me at Middleweight to Super Middleweight:
1. Roy Jones
2. Ray Robinson

Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards

To be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.

[SugarBoxing]

To me at Middleweight to Super Middleweight:
1. Roy Jones
2. Ray Robinson

Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards

To be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.

At this level of competition weight does not mean much, I have no doubt SSR would beat Roy Jones in 15 rounds in any weight, especially if you let Jones eat like SSR ate in 40-60's without any modern day steroids. There is simply no discussion here. On top of that, I think even SRL would beat Roy, because SRL was just slicker and mentally tougher, he would fool him

[ryanman]

To me at Middleweight to Super Middleweight:
1. Roy Jones
2. Ray Robinson

Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards

To be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.

At this level of competition weight does not mean much, I have no doubt SSR would beat Roy Jones in 15 rounds in any weight, especially if you let Jones eat like SSR ate in 40-60's without any modern day steroids. There is simply no discussion here. On top of that, I think even SRL would beat Roy, because SRL was just slicker and mentally tougher, he would fool him

Not a chance! Come on man. Just no.

[Master]

To me at Middleweight to Super Middleweight:
1. Roy Jones
2. Ray Robinson

Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards

To be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.

At this level of competition weight does not mean much, I have no doubt SSR would beat Roy Jones in 15 rounds in any weight, especially if you let Jones eat like SSR ate in 40-60's without any modern day steroids. There is simply no discussion here. On top of that, I think even SRL would beat Roy, because SRL was just slicker and mentally tougher, he would fool him

Robinson got beat 5 times at middleweight, Roy, Marvin, Monzon and maybe B Hop would have done the same.

As for Leonard at middleweight, he was not great.