Anthony Mundine vs. Shane Mosley in talks for August/September fight in Australia

[IamInuit]

No way is he blameless. Just weigh up intent.

[remy]

Bit of a follow-up from Mosley's side of the story:

Sugar Shane Mosley slams Australian boxing as 'mafia' after failed Anthony Mundine fight | News.com.au

Unfortunately, a lot of what he says is true. Boxing in Australia is in a sad state of affairs and the whole system needs to be overhauled if we're to be taken seriously. Mundine has really damaged the sport, he needs to fuck off and retire.

[IamInuit]

And another follow up. Its apparently just a coincidence that the moment Shane stepped off the airplane he is being asked about a Dec date with fellow GBP stablemate Ortiz who's fight just happened to be canceled.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/other-sp...-1226745576275

[Spicoli]

Its all just shady. On one hand I get the feel the promotion were played for fools and gbp and Shane went in with a wink and a nod from jump off. Why in THE hell are you chasing a non factor like Mundine across the ocean when you finally manage to regain traction, eek out a respectable win and obviously have bigger oppurtunity on the horizon with name and promotion?! I get covering expenses and time but I cannot see how they failed to get wind, a hint, an idea or feel that it was all in trouble and don't buy Mosley was shocked or caught blind. They knew it was faultering and just smells strung out for the guarantee. Knowing Fenech did a solid and made an attempt to ensure the general interest of all were meant and the match saved but gets to watch Mosley cash his check just doesn't sit well. Mosley pulled off the impossible and managed to do even less than he did in the Canelo or Pac fights and still pulls a payday. Brilliant! I feel like high fiving him and reading his tips but only by flashlight and taking a bleach shower afterwards. He may be over the hill, and he is, but he has options..still. Fenech got played like a sucker!

[IamInuit]

Its all just shady. On one hand I get the feel the promotion were played for fools and gbp and Shane went in with a wink and a nod from jump off. Why in THE hell are you chasing a non factor like Mundine across the ocean when you finally manage to regain traction, eek out a respectable win and obviously have bigger oppurtunity on the horizon with name and promotion?! I get covering expenses and time but I cannot see how they failed to get wind, a hint, an idea or feel that it was all in trouble and don't buy Mosley was shocked or caught blind. They knew it was faultering and just smells strung out for the guarantee. Knowing Fenech did a solid and made an attempt to ensure the general interest of all were meant and the match saved but gets to watch Mosley cash his check just doesn't sit well. Mosley pulled off the impossible and managed to do even less than he did in the Canelo or Pac fights and still pulls a payday. Brilliant! I feel like high fiving him and reading his tips but only by flashlight and taking a bleach shower afterwards. He may be over the hill, and he is, but he has options..still. Fenech got played like a sucker!

Exactly. People that think he is w/o fault here are well...........naive.

[Fenster]

Even Jeff Fenech agrees with us "naive" people

Jeff Fenech Rips on Mundine: "I Will Never Respect You Again" | Aus-Boxing

[Master]

Even Jeff Fenech agrees with us "naive" people

Jeff Fenech Rips on Mundine: "I Will Never Respect You Again" | Aus-Boxing

Fenech v Mundine would be a good fight.

[Kirkland Laing]

Its all just shady. On one hand I get the feel the promotion were played for fools and gbp and Shane went in with a wink and a nod from jump off. Why in THE hell are you chasing a non factor like Mundine across the ocean when you finally manage to regain traction, eek out a respectable win and obviously have bigger oppurtunity on the horizon with name and promotion?! I get covering expenses and time but I cannot see how they failed to get wind, a hint, an idea or feel that it was all in trouble and don't buy Mosley was shocked or caught blind. They knew it was faultering and just smells strung out for the guarantee. Knowing Fenech did a solid and made an attempt to ensure the general interest of all were meant and the match saved but gets to watch Mosley cash his check just doesn't sit well. Mosley pulled off the impossible and managed to do even less than he did in the Canelo or Pac fights and still pulls a payday. Brilliant! I feel like high fiving him and reading his tips but only by flashlight and taking a bleach shower afterwards. He may be over the hill, and he is, but he has options..still. Fenech got played like a sucker!

He's going to Australia to fight Mundine because he got offered a million dollars. His next fight on a PPV undercard he'll be lucky to get 10% of that. That's why he went to Australia.

[Spicoli]

Its all just shady. On one hand I get the feel the promotion were played for fools and gbp and Shane went in with a wink and a nod from jump off. Why in THE hell are you chasing a non factor like Mundine across the ocean when you finally manage to regain traction, eek out a respectable win and obviously have bigger oppurtunity on the horizon with name and promotion?! I get covering expenses and time but I cannot see how they failed to get wind, a hint, an idea or feel that it was all in trouble and don't buy Mosley was shocked or caught blind. They knew it was faultering and just smells strung out for the guarantee. Knowing Fenech did a solid and made an attempt to ensure the general interest of all were meant and the match saved but gets to watch Mosley cash his check just doesn't sit well. Mosley pulled off the impossible and managed to do even less than he did in the Canelo or Pac fights and still pulls a payday. Brilliant! I feel like high fiving him and reading his tips but only by flashlight and taking a bleach shower afterwards. He may be over the hill, and he is, but he has options..still. Fenech got played like a sucker!

He's going to Australia to fight Mundine because he got offered a million dollars. His next fight on a PPV undercard he'll be lucky to get 10% of that. That's why he went to Australia.

Call me cynical, but I cannot swallow that GBP and Mosley entered into that fragile agreement thinking it was more likely to take flight than fail. I think it was played out for pay grab. His next fight shouldn't even be on a PPV at this point but he made 10% + of that for doing absolutly nothing.

[Kirkland Laing]

Its all just shady. On one hand I get the feel the promotion were played for fools and gbp and Shane went in with a wink and a nod from jump off. Why in THE hell are you chasing a non factor like Mundine across the ocean when you finally manage to regain traction, eek out a respectable win and obviously have bigger oppurtunity on the horizon with name and promotion?! I get covering expenses and time but I cannot see how they failed to get wind, a hint, an idea or feel that it was all in trouble and don't buy Mosley was shocked or caught blind. They knew it was faultering and just smells strung out for the guarantee. Knowing Fenech did a solid and made an attempt to ensure the general interest of all were meant and the match saved but gets to watch Mosley cash his check just doesn't sit well. Mosley pulled off the impossible and managed to do even less than he did in the Canelo or Pac fights and still pulls a payday. Brilliant! I feel like high fiving him and reading his tips but only by flashlight and taking a bleach shower afterwards. He may be over the hill, and he is, but he has options..still. Fenech got played like a sucker!

He's going to Australia to fight Mundine because he got offered a million dollars. His next fight on a PPV undercard he'll be lucky to get 10% of that. That's why he went to Australia.

Call me cynical, but I cannot swallow that GBP and Mosley entered into that fragile agreement thinking it was more likely to take flight than fail. I think it was played out for pay grab. His next fight shouldn't even be on a PPV at this point but he made 10% + of that for doing absolutly nothing.

He didn't do absolutely nothing. He signed for a fight in Australia. By doing that he gave up domestic opportunities for him to make money. Professional boxers have relatively short careers and the chunk of career he spent getting ready for a fight that was cancelled could have been used getting ready for another fight.

I've seen pictures of Mosley leaving Australia with Sergio Mora. I'm sure Mora wasn't sparring with Mosley for free or paying his own way to Australia. Mosley's trainer and corner people won't have been paying their own way either. Shane is paying out for all that so it's only right he gets his expenses covered as per what was in the original contract.

Mosley got what he's contractually owed. He had a contract of employment and he only asked for the terms of that contract to be adhered to. I'm guessing that everybody here who has or has had an employment contract would on the whole like their employment contract to be respected in the case of any dispute between them and their employer. Why should Mosley be any different?

And something I forgot to mention yesterday. Fenech. Fenech did not put up the 300K because he was desperate to see the fight or he's a massive fan of boxing. He obviously had some involvement in the promotion. He may well have been fucked over and conned by the main promoter, he's lost most of his money in various deals in the past if I remember correctly, but the fact he lost out again isn't Mosley's fault.

[Kirkland Laing]

And another follow up. Its apparently just a coincidence that the moment Shane stepped off the airplane he is being asked about a Dec date with fellow GBP stablemate Ortiz who's fight just happened to be canceled.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/other-sp...-1226745576275

Mosley is ready to fight. He's a much better attraction to fight Ortiz than the guy originally pencilled in to fight him. GBP are trying to sell a PPV. It's a no brainer for all parties.

[Spicoli]

No way is he blameless. Just weigh up intent.

They played the whole thing out knowing the ship was sinking is how I see it. Who said Mosley has lost his slickness

[Fenster]

Mosley is guaranteed 700k will be paid 10 days before the fight. Three days before the fight he still hasn't been paid so goes home. It's reported that only 1500 tickets have been sold (they need to sell 6000) and 1000 PPV buys (they need 80,000).

What's the problem? Do you want him to fight for 300k when he originally agreed to $1m? That's mad.

It's not his fault the promoters overvalued the fight in the first place. It's not his fault that Jeff Fenech bought into the promotion.

[p4pking]

That's my take so far, half the reason promoters exist(to anyone’s benefit) is to make sure things like this don't happen. They obviously way overvalued the fight, made a guarantee they couldn't honour and yet people want to blame a guy who's been getting beat up for a living the last few years for all this. Is it possible Shane knew this could happen and wasn't opposed to the idea all along? Sure, but that doesn't mean he hoped for it, nor does it make him a scumbag imo. Who wouldn't take some crooked promoters money if they are giving it away. Even if Jeff Fenech mortgaged his house to cut Shane a personal cheque the blame still lies elsewhere as Mosley had nothing to do with reimbursing his expenses in any case and neither of them would've seen their money whether the fight went on or not