Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

[Freedom]

Thats interesting. I wonder if it coincides with Abrahams declime in performances?

No, he's just faded and never was as good at 168 as he was at 160 because he's too short and lacks reach. Sauerland fighters appearing on ARD TV have had to do random PED testing since at the latest 2007.

[Ron Swanson]

Testing and its acceptance have come a long way. Sauerland, Donaire, ever since Love popped hot for a diarrhetic all of Mayweather promotions does OST 365, hell even Pacman is participating in OST. It has a foothold and the worst thing for its validity is people making it into a sh*$show. Ariza questioning VADA, Montoya questioning USADA, fighters pushing it at press conferences for the spectacle. All of these people can get fu*#ed, they are the enemy. Testing has momentum, fair play has momentum, those that would use something so critical to safety for propaganda are scum.

Maybe that is why Ward says no, he recognizes the evil behind the request as being more significant than the request. If he tests next fight done the proper way I hope everyone that slandered him over this admits their wrong. If he continues to fight without testing he is undoubtedly a suspect as all fighters that refuse are in this era.

[ross]

Testing and its acceptance have come a long way. Sauerland, Donaire, ever since Love popped hot for a diarrhetic all of Mayweather promotions does OST 365, hell even Pacman is participating in OST. It has a foothold and the worst thing for its validity is people making it into a sh*$show. Ariza questioning VADA, Montoya questioning USADA, fighters pushing it at press conferences for the spectacle. All of these people can get fu*#ed, they are the enemy. Testing has momentum, fair play has momentum, those that would use something so critical to safety for propaganda are scum.

Maybe that is why Ward says no, he recognizes the evil behind the request as being more significant than the request. If he tests next fight done the proper way I hope everyone that slandered him over this admits their wrong. If he continues to fight without testing he is undoubtedly a suspect as all fighters that refuse are in this era.

Are you mental?

As for everyone admitting theyre wrong IF he tests for his fight after this

Ok, so he can cheat now but as long as he has notice and doesn't do it in his next fight thats ok

[Freedom]

Ward refused to fight in Europe during the Super Six, although everyone else had to travel.

I wonder if he was concerned about the OST testing he'd need to do if he fought Sauerland's Kessler and Abraham in Europe?

[ruthless rocco]

Ward refused to fight in Europe during the Super Six, although everyone else had to travel.

I wonder if he was concerned about the OST testing he'd need to do if he fought Sauerland's Kessler and Abraham in Europe?

These are interesting points... Hadn't thought of this angle before. You may be onto something.

[Ron Swanson]

This is why it should be handled properly. Read through this thread again and look how the facts changed over time to suit the argument.

It's simple, Ward should test but it should be set into motion properly. When you use something for propaganda you undermine it.

[Ron Swanson]

Are you mental?

As for everyone admitting theyre wrong IF he tests for his fight after this

Ok, so he can cheat now but as long as he has notice and doesn't do it in his next fight thats ok[/QUOTE]


How about we do this like adults without insults or emoticons?
I fully support testing. What I don't support is people using it as a gimmick. It undermines the process. This guy had a chance to request it through the proper process. The process isn't right, it should be on the boxing commissions, but he chose not to do this. He chose to attempt to sully Wards name making a spectacle. Testing is not a head game or a hype source if you believe in it. And people that jump to conclusions of guilt should get real. If everyone is guilty why would they agree? When someone goes about it right and a fighter refuses that is reason to take pause. When someone unfairly sullies your name the general response is resistance.

[jehoshaphat]

Ross, I'm sure this thread is not going to lead to a solution but try to understand how this looks from Ward's perspective at least from this one fight. Rodriguez had 2 negotiations to at least even mention the subject and he chose not to. So he doesn't know how Ward would respond. The first negotiations Team Rodriguez turned down the fight which was his highest payday so they clearly weren't begging or walking on eggshells for the fight. The second negotiation Team Ward chased them and still no mention of random testing by Team Rodriguez. If all any team has to do to get their way is sign the fight first, pick the agency, and call the opponent out for random testing at the fight press conference then everybody could do this and be guaranteed to get their way or make the other guy look suspicious in your eyes. Let me ask you a serious question and be honest bro. Remember Team Rodriguez didn't even merely mention random testing in either of 2 negotiations. Do you really think Rodriguez didn't even mention random testing because he thought Ward would turn down the fight at the mere mentioning of random testing?

[ross]

Ross, I'm sure this thread is not going to lead to a solution but try to understand how this looks from Ward's perspective at least from this one fight. Rodriguez had 2 negotiations to at least even mention the subject and he chose not to. So he doesn't know how Ward would respond. The first negotiations Team Rodriguez turned down the fight which was his highest payday so they clearly weren't begging or walking on eggshells for the fight. The second negotiation Team Ward chased them and still no mention of random testing by Team Rodriguez. If all any team has to do to get their way is sign the fight first, pick the agency, and call the opponent out for random testing at the fight press conference then everybody could do this and be guaranteed to get their way or make the other guy look suspicious in your eyes. Let me ask you a serious question and be honest bro. Remember Team Rodriguez didn't even merely mention random testing in either of 2 negotiations. Do you really think Rodriguez didn't even mention random testing because he thought Ward would turn down the fight at the mere mentioning of random testing?

Pacquiao did it with Mayweather, there is a precedent.

[jehoshaphat]

Ross, I'm sure this thread is not going to lead to a solution but try to understand how this looks from Ward's perspective at least from this one fight. Rodriguez had 2 negotiations to at least even mention the subject and he chose not to. So he doesn't know how Ward would respond. The first negotiations Team Rodriguez turned down the fight which was his highest payday so they clearly weren't begging or walking on eggshells for the fight. The second negotiation Team Ward chased them and still no mention of random testing by Team Rodriguez. If all any team has to do to get their way is sign the fight first, pick the agency, and call the opponent out for random testing at the fight press conference then everybody could do this and be guaranteed to get their way or make the other guy look suspicious in your eyes. Let me ask you a serious question and be honest bro. Remember Team Rodriguez didn't even merely mention random testing in either of 2 negotiations. Do you really think Rodriguez didn't even mention random testing because he thought Ward would turn down the fight at the mere mentioning of random testing?

Pacquiao did it with Mayweather, there is a precedent.

Mayweather didn't merely mention it he demanded it or there was to be no fight. The only thing he was willing to negotiation in the first round of negotiations was the cut off point.