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I dont find it overused at all and when it is used especially by those who have a sense of history its usually spot on.

The Klits would trouble anyone in history. Neither is Primo Carnera and if people think there size gives an advantage today they would be gobsmacked if they had a time machine and took them back in time.
I dont recall anyone using it in a manner that was wrong.

I'll tell you the phrase I'm actually so sick of that indifference has set in.

p4p. Its the most abused, misunderstood, misrepresented, meaningless, overused term in boxing.
From what I've seen on Saddo its mainly used in talking about the Klitschko's because quite often they're bashed and put down in comparison to heavyweights from other eras. Thats an intresting point you make about the phrase pound-for-pound though, I've always thought it was a bit of a buzz word used to market fighters from lighter weight classes, such as 'Floyd or Manny whose being p4p king'. Why do you think its a misunderstood and meaningless term in boxing?
Oh its marketing alright. Today and by that I especially mean the last decade its an easy application for favourite list. As connectivity has grown on forums the word has become much more widely used.
Today it really has no basis and especially not after division expansion. Add to that the fact that most people are fighting 2 divisions south of where they should be and you have a meaningless term based on the historic definition and how it translated in the Traditional eight era and early expansion. Smaller men were always fighting bigger men. The dashing young man in my avatar routinely beat up and knocked out bigger men. Armstrong never asked for a catch weight and weighed 133 when he challenged for the welter title. Greb never asked Tunney for anything. The original Joe Walcott feasted on big guys. Jimmy Wilde probably never outweighed anybody. These are just a few known guys but what they did was common place.That's what pound for pound is. You think you can beat me then you show up at your best weight and I'll show up at mine. Today a Middle could not even challenge a light-heavy when many of them are in fact light heavies fighting at middleweight. The term has been bastardized beyond belief. You wont see Roman Gonzalez on a list but you will see Wlad on one. Yes sir I'd imagine a 7 foot bantamweight with an 80 inch reach would be a little tough to beat. I think Manny and Floyd are pound for pound guys but even they have tainted that claim by agreeing or demanding silly catch-weights for title fights. Not only that but the ped thing I'm afraid also comes into play.

I want to say though that Saddo members dont use it even a fraction of the amount that other places do. In fact many veterans here rarely use it.