Should these cancerous people be hung?

[Gandalf]

I had imbibed at least a glass of shandy when I started this thread, and so think my sentence should be reduced. I still think they are cancerous though, and listening to them trot out the same old 'national security....terrorist....spying justified....Snowden bad' line makes me sick. You cannot spy on EVERYONE and say that it is okay just so long as a couple of terrorist acts are stopped. You are more likely to be renditioned by America than be the victim of a terrorist attack. People need to be protected against terrorist states like Britain and America, they cause terrorism, they don't prevent it. They actively cause it.

Actually, things haven't changed in 100 years in the UK. Just as then you could start to investigate a scandalous politician/Prime Minister and be warned off with threats by the authorities (you will find yourself facedown in a river, if you don't alter course Sir), they do much the same today. It was just in those days they would need to know who you were first. Now they have everyone stored on record.

I take back saying they should be hung, unlike them I don't want to see the reemergence of Victorian norms. Prison would be enough.

[Andre]

Hung by what? Other people or their ball sacks?

[Gandalf]

I notice with the spying stories that people are too scared to say anything. I've seen it on politics forums too. You have pages of innane threads and then the spy threads that are left alone by as many as possible. It's only at certain newpapers that people have a more cavalier approach and don't give a fuck.

The only real change from the spying is that people will live in greater fear and concern but speak about it less. In other words more authoritarianism. Welcome to free Britain, where they have an unelected monarchy, will smash up newspaper hard drives, keep you under terrorism laws despite not being a terrorist, will illegal invade countries to make other terrorist states happy, allow bankers to commit crimes and then say 'we aint got money' and then cut back services. What a country.

Spy chiefs, bankers, Tories, monarchy. They all need overthrowing.