the phrase that i do not like at all is...

[IamInuit]

Even though I am a proponent of the modern era and turn in disgust when I hear romantic buildup of a fantasy past... I completely agree we should have same day weigh ins. I don't really care about the number of divisions but I think the WBO belt should be amalgamated with one of the other major bodies and go back to having just 3 belts again and with only 1 champion per belt and division (none of this regular and super champ shit).

And also there should be mandatory unification after certain criteria to avoid keeping the belt separate for reasons of money.

Some things were better in the past. Particularly the weigh ins. They leave fighters dangerously dehydrated and the weights can be grossly disproportionate to actual fight weight. I like 12 rounds better though. I feel it lends to more explosive fights and 15 rounds leads to more featherfists and pacing.

First I want to say that insomnia sucks.

I'm a fan of most boxing eras other then the grappling ones. Not as big a fan of this fight once a year, padded record, coddled, gazillion belt, 12 rd championship fight era. When they say champion ship rounds today I want to hurl. I can just see it in 25 years. 6 round fights and fighters wearing helmets calling rounds 3 through 6 the championship rounds. A risk and reward era that has no idea what risk and reward means. All you need to do is to make sure that "0" does not go.

Anybody who suggests that we that have watched fights since the 60's are living in some fantasy world with all due respect is full of shit and most likely only started following the sport a few years ago and some earlier then that. To deny what once was is to deny what is. Boxing has been sissified to the point where bloody ppv controls the sport.

There is nothing fantasy even before my time in saying that guys like Ike Williams, Benny Leonard or Hank are better then any lightweight fighting today.


There should be one belt per division not 4 or 3. Its the reason why people dont fight each other and why true unification for the most part has gone the way of the dodo bird.

In addition a fight like Manny/Floyd would have happened in pretty much any other era. That flop in and of itself sustains what I just said. Even in the eighties those two primadonnas would have fought twice.

[Max Power]

Yes yes I agreed to an extent but you take it way too far! It's almost conspiracy theory stuff the way you put it.

I am thankful I live in such colourful era as the 80's, 90's, 00's and today. Sure Manny/Floyd is an example of such damage today and something should be done about this shit in future.

But the quality of boxing is much improved imo on the whole. I find olden days stuff practically unwatchable as far as entertainment goes. Then again Wladimir has given us some pretty boring performances for argument sake!

[IamInuit]

Yes yes I agreed to an extent but you take it way too far! It's almost conspiracy theory stuff the way you put it.

I am thankful I live in such colourful era as the 80's, 90's, 00's and today. Sure Manny/Floyd is an example of such damage today and something should be done about this shit in future.

But the quality of boxing is much improved imo on the whole. I find olden days stuff practically unwatchable as far as entertainment goes. Then again Wladimir has given us some pretty boring performances for argument sake!

How is it conspiracy theory when I bring empirical evidence to the table? I tell what conspiracy is, its the dismissal of the past. The quality of boxing has not improved. People in many cases are gassed by the fourth round. All this science, sports medicine bla bla bla. This is the juice era with about eight fighters controlling the sport while everybody else toils in obscurity. Conspiracy theory my ass.

And this is what you said in another thread.

It's the money and the promoters. More divisions, more belts and more belt holders ununified generates more money than one champ per division with less divisions.

That leads further to prospect protectionism, fighters bumming their way to 30-0, cashing out in 1 or 2 big fights at the end of a hyped up rainbow.

Usually the fighters get the blame but modern training and recovery principles and fighters larger purses are only the lesser part of it. It's the fight industry making the real money doing the real damage.

You need to decide how you really feel instead of calling people conspiracy theorists. I've been watching boxing since the sixties and made its rich history part of my life since. I know what I have experienced and witnessed.

[Max Power]

I'm not dismissing the past or your credentials sir. What I said in other post I do believe in there is no contradiction. I acknowledge some things in the past were better and you must know the marketing and promotional teams make huge gains from this sort of thing. They are the ones calling the shots mostly. That's fact not conspiracy.