Why the hate for big brother?

[Max Power]

You cannot seriously be implying a champion from 80 years ago would be anything but a journeyman for a modern HW! Those are very rose coloured glasses your wearing if you are!

[powerpuncher]

you cannot seriously be considering that david haye is better than joe louis. again, talk to any boxing expert and they would all call you crazy.

[Max Power]

That depends on what kind of boxing "expert" your talking about? A historian? Means little to nothing!

A modern boxing analyst with no idealogical axe to grind will look at the footage of Louis, notice his rudimentary boxing skills in a sport that wasn't even technically complete yet (more of a barn yard brawl) coupled with his lack of speed, size, conditioning and power and conclude that Joe Louis would probably not be advised to box as a professional today (assuming he did not receive the same training and diet a guy like Haye has which changes the whole scenario).

To be simple, I give Louis about... FIVE SECONDS before Haye finds his jaw and KHTFO!

Louis fought not a single opponent who has any relevance to modern boxing at all.

Could you imagine how hard you would be laughed at were you to claim that a football lineman from 1930 could win best on ground in 2013 on a football forum? Sorry but comedy gold mate!

[powerpuncher]

the football analogy doesnt work because of the size difference between now and then. the linemen now are so much bigger now.

anyways, i am just going to assume that you have never actually watched anybody fight before the 90's because of the things that you say. joe louis is such a complete fighter. he is probably the best combination puncher that i have ever seen. he has great footwork and throws almost technically perfect punches.

you act like people in the 30's and 40's are the same as fighters from 1890. by the time louis came around, boxing had been around for a long time. its not as if it was still brand new. there were great training camps and they had great conditioning techniques. actually, the HWs back then were far superior conditioning wise than the HWs now.

go watch a sugar ray robinson fight and tell me that he wouldnt be relevant today.

i dont get why a boxing historians opinion means nothing when they have studied boxing for years and have seen so many fights and know so much more than you. that makes no sense at all. that just means that you want to be ignorant probably because it is bliss. thats what i hear anyways.

and again, saying that haye would KO louis in 5 seconds is beyond laughable and makes you look very uneducated in boxing history so if i were you, i would refrain from saying things like that so that for future reference people arent thinking that you are stupid.

[Max Power]

Of course SRR would be relevant today. But unfortunately for you and your kind I HAVE seen the fights. Joe Louis does not look like an all world beater today. Do you really think Haye would lose to Schmelling or get dropped by Tony Galento? Come man the quality of boxing is so bad nobody watches it for any reason other to compare how far we have come.

SRR had a WIDE wide open defence and when you analyse his ring craft and scrutinize his performances properly you see he doesn't really stand a chance against Mayweather and modern greats.

Sorry but you have exposed yourself as a nostalgist! And that's fine if you are, but you wont be selling me on a fantasy past that for the most part, never actually existed.

I've seen my fair share of fights to know the truth Mr. Puncher

[greynotsoold]

Of course SRR would be relevant today. But unfortunately for you and your kind I HAVE seen the fights. Joe Louis does not look like an all world beater today. Do you really think Haye would lose to Schmelling or get dropped by Tony Galento? Come man the quality of boxing is so bad nobody watches it for any reason other to compare how far we have come.

SRR had a WIDE wide open defence and when you analyse his ring craft and scrutinize his performances properly you see he doesn't really stand a chance against Mayweather and modern greats.

Sorry but you have exposed yourself as a nostalgist! And that's fine if you are, but you wont be selling me on a fantasy past that for the most part, never actually existed.

I've seen my fair share of fights to know the truth Mr. Puncher

Just out of curiousity, have you ever boxed? What do you consider 'rudimentary' about joe Louis? He punches like a boxing textbook.

[Master]

What is wrong with you @Max Power? You seem an intelligent guy.

If Joe Louis lived today with the diet and training he would be over 200lb today. With Louis technique, skills and power he would be a force in any time period. Greatness is defined by what you did in your time period and against your respective opponents. Joe defended his title 25 times, that is a mark of greatness.

David Haye has beaten Ruiz and Audley. He lost to Thompson. There is no comparison.

[Max Power]

Yeah sure I have, I wouldn't be here otherwise.

And yeah I've heard this one before "The most text book puncher". It's almost as scripted as some of Broner's interviews.

What exactly does that mean? What pro boxer would NOT be able to throw a text book punch? Honestly by definition that is what a fighter is supposed to be able to do BEFORE they turn pro!

So are we comparing Louis's right hand to Lennox's, his jab to Larry's his hook to Morrison's or his uppercut to Tyson's now?

Louis was dominant because he lived in an era where larger heavyweights were devoid of anything we might call skills and of the ones who did have them he was the biggest. A bruiser to be sure, but technical marvel he was not! And at 6'2" 205lbs there is no "master plan" that he could implement to gain a victory over most modern HW's.

I can't imagine Louis beating Jones Jr. or Ruiz to be honest.