No hate, fact remains they were seen as vulnerable in era where heavyweight competition was stepped up a gear. Not exactly a high gear at that.
The way they market themselves as atg does grate boxing aficionados due to the lack luster resume they both carry. the long enduring ring entrances and pre match pageantry is sickening. (though still entertaining) The boring style shameless style Wladimir possesses, I give Vitali credit where it's due though, he's tough as nails a lot more interesting
The arrogant righteous elitist position they take on their image is annoying and a turn off for anyone who prefers not to caress his balls. The slave contracts they have their opposition take because they have cornered the HW market is uninspiring. There's more
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