Ward !

[Rantcatrat]

With regard to the comparisons with Mayweather's record, as I said earlier in the thread, Ward has arguably beat better competition than Mayweather has over the last few years. I don't think Ortiz, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo are as tough a schedule as Kessler, Froch, Bika, Dawson, and Rodiguez. Kessler and Froch were lower end p4p guys and Bika was tough at that stage of his career. Now, you may say Mayweather has done it with more style, but his competition hasn't been as high in my opinion.

[imp]

With regard to the comparisons with Mayweather's record, as I said earlier in the thread, Ward has arguably beat better competition than Mayweather has over the last few years. I don't think Ortiz, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo are as tough a schedule as Kessler, Froch, Bika, Dawson, and Rodiguez. Kessler and Froch were lower end p4p guys and Bika was tough at that stage of his career. Now, you may say Mayweather has done it with more style, but his competition hasn't been as high in my opinion.

Whos to say floyds opponents wouldnt beat ward opponents in a same weight fantasy island world.

Shall we say ward opponents are better than RJ opponents during his reign?

Who else shall we bring up?
How about the undefeated calzaghes opponents?!

Ward is a class act and well deserving of the p4p no.2 position.

He has a different style thats not great to watch but he has the X FACTOR as he keeps winning.

And thats all that counts.

[Dia bando]

What do I WANT,!!! I want to be entertained thats what perhaps you may think I have
no taste, but I can't be wrong Ward can't draw fly's yes he wins.
I would rather watch Miles V Lyle, fighting at dawn with handbags.

[imp]

What do I WANT,!!! I want to be entertained thats what perhaps you may think I have
no taste, but I can't be wrong Ward can't draw fly's yes he wins.
I would rather watch Miles V Lyle, fighting at dawn with handbags.

How could Ward entertain you?

[Dia bando]

What do I WANT,!!! I want to be entertained thats what perhaps you may think I have
no taste, but I can't be wrong Ward can't draw fly's yes he wins.
I would rather watch Miles V Lyle, fighting at dawn with handbags.

How could Ward entertain you?

Over night he turned into Tommy Hearns.

[powerpuncher]

i still dont get the concept of wanting a fighter to change their style to entertain you. its called boxing. either you like it or you dont. thats like saying i like college football but only when i watch oregon and baylor because they put up a lot of points. anybody else is boring. that means that you dont actually like the sport which is fine but then i say dont come on a boxing message board and complain about it.

[Gandalf]

I am glad to see that my views are fairly common on this issue. People don't like Ward mainly because he is dull and cheats, and secondarily because he is inactive and won't travel anywhere. It is very hard to enjoy his fights. Until threatened with disqualification he was going to do that hold and wrestle shit all night long. It's no wonder he couldn't fill a barn.

I also think he fights how he does because he knows he is very chinny. It's his shield, but sooner rather than later someones gonna rock him hard, and he will disqualify himself through it as you won't get a second punch on him.

[Dia bando]

i still dont get the concept of wanting a fighter to change their style to entertain you. its called boxing. either you like it or you dont. thats like saying i like college football but only when i watch oregon and baylor because they put up a lot of points. anybody else is boring. that means that you dont actually like the sport which is fine but then i say dont come on a boxing message board and complain about it.

Complain about Ward, remember this sport we watch is called Professional boxing, when I go
to live boxing I expect some entertainment, there is a saying one mans crap is a other mans
gold.!!!, the fighters you like is to your individual taste.

The thing is this is my opinion, other people have there's I've seen plenty of crap bout of boxing,
your on the wrong wave length, thinking I don't like the sport.

[Fenster]

What do I WANT,!!! I want to be entertained thats what perhaps you may think I have
no taste, but I can't be wrong Ward can't draw fly's yes he wins.
I would rather watch Miles V Lyle, fighting at dawn with handbags.

But he has HBO backing so it's irrelevant. He just got $1.9 million for facing a "no-name." He is clearly doing something right. To put that into perspective, Golovkin-Stevens combined purse was $675,000.

[Rantcatrat]

With regard to the comparisons with Mayweather's record, as I said earlier in the thread, Ward has arguably beat better competition than Mayweather has over the last few years. I don't think Ortiz, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo are as tough a schedule as Kessler, Froch, Bika, Dawson, and Rodiguez. Kessler and Froch were lower end p4p guys and Bika was tough at that stage of his career. Now, you may say Mayweather has done it with more style, but his competition hasn't been as high in my opinion.

Whos to say floyds opponents wouldnt beat ward opponents in a same weight fantasy island world.

Shall we say ward opponents are better than RJ opponents during his reign?

Who else shall we bring up?
How about the undefeated calzaghes opponents?!

Ward is a class act and well deserving of the p4p no.2 position.

He has a different style thats not great to watch but he has the X FACTOR as he keeps winning.

And thats all that counts.

As boxing fans, aren't we constantly debating legacies of different fighters? It's part of the fun! What is pound for pound if not fantasy? We don't know how Floyd would do against Klitschko's style if weight was irrelevant, but that doesn't mean we can't debate it. It also doesn't sound like you are disagreeing with me.

In any event, I'm not debating Mayweather should be p4p No. 1 right now, but if Ward keeps fighting tough opponents, he'll start itching closer to that spot. For example, if he cleaned out 175, he might take over the p4p number 1 spot.

The main problem I have with Ward is his lack of stance on the PED issue. He's throwing the same arguments Pacquiao threw out when Mayweather wanted PED testing for their fight. I'm surprised people are jumping on him as much as they did Pacquiao.