Tyson fury - David Haye off, Haye told to consider retirement.

[erics44]

nope I'l jinx it !

radio 5 for me........

yeah i was gonna say

i think its gonna be an absolute cracker tho

everyone is saying froch by KO but groves is so supremely confident and we all know he has the discipline to stick to a game plan

i think its gonna take froch a lot to knock him out

im looking forward to it

[ross]

Yep, im sitting on the fence more and more.

Froch is ok when someone stands in front of him and trades, or lays on the ropes. Basically gives him no movement.

In sparring it is much easier to hurt someone because your not both switched on. Iv been there and hurt people in sparring but its not as easy in a real match. In sparring what can happen is things escalate. George might have been sharp and caught Carl with a nice shot, with no real intention of hurting Carl and Carl came steaming back to have the last word so to speak. Had it have been a real fight would George have stayed so close in front of Carl? Going by the DeGale fight, no, I dont think he would have.

This has the potential to destroy Carls standing, losing to someone whos being massively dismissed. I am now hoping George wins as I always like the underdog but I dont think George is in that deep here.

Conversly, if it were Kessler, id say Kessler wins with his sharpness. Carl outlasted Mikkel just by being tough but only just.

[erics44]

i thought carl won the kessler fight quite widely and i think he would again, i also thought he won the first fight between the two, close yes but harsh to have given it to kes rather than to froch

groves has a better style to deal with froch than he does kessler i think

groves could well pip him on points

id have to say if i was gonna put my house on something it would be a froch win one way or another