James Toney wants Wilder: " I want a piece of that little punk "

[Gandalf]

Explain Toney then. The man has never been knocked out in almost 90 fights, he has never been seriously hurt. The man started at MW and HW's don't hurt him, there is no myth about an iron jaw. Some fighters can take a lot more than others.

You will never see Toney like Hatton, Pac, Jones Jr, as the man has a proven iron jaw. He seems to really, really dig it.

Toney doesn't need to bust anything at HW. He is quicker than most of them and can wobble them. Toney is old, but still sharper. He is now also more trim, so why not put him in there with Wilder? If Toney gets knocked out he knows he is done, but if he doesn't then he proves Wilder is a hoax and the show goes on.

[Beanflicker]

Explain Toney then. The man has never been knocked out in almost 90 fights, he has never been seriously hurt. The man started at MW and HW's don't hurt him, there is no myth about an iron jaw. Some fighters can take a lot more than others.

You will never see Toney like Hatton, Pac, Jones Jr, as the man has a proven iron jaw. He seems to really, really dig it.

Toney doesn't need to bust anything at HW. He is quicker than most of them and can wobble them. Toney is old, but still sharper. He is now also more trim, so why not put him in there with Wilder? If Toney gets knocked out he knows he is done, but if he doesn't then he proves Wilder is a hoax and the show goes on.

You misunderstood what I said.

I'm not saying there's no such thing as an iron jaw. CLEARLY there are guys who can take more punishment than others. I'm saying that it has nothing to do with how strong your actual jaw is. Having a "strong jaw" is a figure of speech to mean you can take a punch, just like having a "big heart" is a figure of speech to say a guy is brave, not to indicate that he has an enlarged heart.

The ability to take a punch is determined by the body's (skull, neck, traps, shoulders, ect) ability to absorb the concussive shocks of a punch so that the brain doesn't slam off the skull and get shut off. It has nothing to do with strong jaw muscles. What jaw muscles would do to prevent the brain from slamming off the skull is beyond me.

If you think Toney would stand a chance in hell against Wilder, you're insane. He just lost to a complete bum in England, who has a 24% KO percentage (putting him 5 points above KO Artist Paulie Malignaggi's 19%). James is slow, he's short and dumpy, he has pathetic power at HW, and his once amazing reflexes are shot.

James is one of my favorite fighters of all time, so I'd rather not see him get killed in the ring. He was diagnosed with brain damage as early as 2005. His body doesn't produce testosterone anymore because of the punches he took. He gets by on hormone replacement therapy. And I want to see him get in with a 6'8'' axe murdered like Wilder WHY?

It's a stupid fight for both guys. Wilder needs to step up and fight real competition, and James needs to realize that his ship sailed years ago.

[Beanflicker]

Wilder might have his chin checked, but it'll be against a real HW like Robert Helenius, Arreola, David Price, Thompson, Fury, Klitschko, ect.

Toney isn't checking anyone's chin, especially at this age.

It's like expecting Paulie Maligaggi to chin check somebody.