Do you believe in God?

[Andre]

Science does not support the creation of life in anyway shape or form. I'm not saying evolution didn't happen, I'm just saying it is not fact. So I don't have science proving what I believe and I don't have science proving, beyond a reasonable doubt the theory of evolution. But I will say nowhere in science has it been observed that life comes from anything other than life.

I'm not sure I understand this. Science is a result of life whether we were around or not and could very well be the basis for it. Science would have been there regardless of someone being there to discover it. For example the laws of gravity existed before Newton wrote them down. The question I guess now is who the cook was for all of this. A designer modeled after the God religions describe or random chance. Both are as unlikely as the other imo.

Something cannot have happened and then be said not to be a fact. If you fell down, you fell down. I think its pretty clear that evolution was and is a fact and its happening around us today from plants and insects to birds, animals etc. Life for the most part finds a way. Polar bears are moving south as the ice melts and Grizzly bears are moving north. There has already been documented offspring. So in effect a new species is at its beginning stages and right in front of our eyes. Life finds a way. That is until our enlightened species came along. Anything even near as successful if you want to call it that as us went extinct and we have been on the fast track behind them since the industrial revolution. To bad we haven't evolved. When we are gone and if theirs anything left after our raping and pillaging life will go merrily along without us and evolve. I mean lets be honest, this planet would be much better off w/o us. Our extinction will be more proof of evolution in many ways but nobody will be around to document it. The human epitaph will read, "thanks for the blink in time and good riddance" signed thee earth.

From nothing, nothing derives does not disprove evolution anymore then it proves a Christian God. Evolution is a result of life. W/o it there is no evolution. Evolution does not prove origin. For all anyone here knows, evolution could be part of the design, plan, whatever. I noticed Aliens were mentioned. Perhaps they are the Gods and they injected us with a conscience for some grand experiment. Ending up as somebody's oil change and that's it is not a pleasant contemplation.

Again I have no problem with the possibility that something intelligent could be behind all of this. If something like that exists then it follows that it would have to be way beyond my comprehension in complexity. I certainly would not attempt to describe such a force using the shifting foundations of human emotion. No way does something that weak create all of this.

We are the weakness, we are co creators in this and in reality we even choose to kill and eat others,life at others expense etc, aside from all the other horrors we allow to exist here.
Our choices are still free. People prove the reverse is possible all the time,they are not the victums of circumstance although some believe they were.

Logically the higher conscious state wouldnt get involved in those lower levels evolving that way (in that evil direction).

This 'all controlling God' is the false image, their own books warned them not to worship.

People can be born angry, sometimes starting by blaming their parents with that old cop out "Well I didnt ask to be born"bull shit".
Some take that feeling to the higher level again as they mature their core belief doesn't; as we see people blame God for creating the whole thing; you know 'Killing in the name of' Some of those who work forces are the same who wear crosses.
Thats why some fruit cakes march off to fight others ,judge others wrongly even murder prostitutes because they think God is on their side in it and really they just killed themselves and stole someone elses time from them.

That crap of an all controlling God is what man teaches by false claims that you or your past relatives didnt have any choice in your own dna or your evolution. It keeps their followers victims of circumstance which isnt wholly true.
We chose which way to face and go and we still have the choice which way to face and go.
Sometimes a rose grows out of a crack in a rock.

[IamInuit]

Science does not support the creation of life in anyway shape or form. I'm not saying evolution didn't happen, I'm just saying it is not fact. So I don't have science proving what I believe and I don't have science proving, beyond a reasonable doubt the theory of evolution. But I will say nowhere in science has it been observed that life comes from anything other than life.

I'm not sure I understand this. Science is a result of life whether we were around or not and could very well be the basis for it. Science would have been there regardless of someone being there to discover it. For example the laws of gravity existed before Newton wrote them down. The question I guess now is who the cook was for all of this. A designer modeled after the God religions describe or random chance. Both are as unlikely as the other imo.

Something cannot have happened and then be said not to be a fact. If you fell down, you fell down. I think its pretty clear that evolution was and is a fact and its happening around us today from plants and insects to birds, animals etc. Life for the most part finds a way. Polar bears are moving south as the ice melts and Grizzly bears are moving north. There has already been documented offspring. So in effect a new species is at its beginning stages and right in front of our eyes. Life finds a way. That is until our enlightened species came along. Anything even near as successful if you want to call it that as us went extinct and we have been on the fast track behind them since the industrial revolution. To bad we haven't evolved. When we are gone and if theirs anything left after our raping and pillaging life will go merrily along without us and evolve. I mean lets be honest, this planet would be much better off w/o us. Our extinction will be more proof of evolution in many ways but nobody will be around to document it. The human epitaph will read, "thanks for the blink in time and good riddance" signed thee earth.

From nothing, nothing derives does not disprove evolution anymore then it proves a Christian God. Evolution is a result of life. W/o it there is no evolution. Evolution does not prove origin. For all anyone here knows, evolution could be part of the design, plan, whatever. I noticed Aliens were mentioned. Perhaps they are the Gods and they injected us with a conscience for some grand experiment. Ending up as somebody's oil change and that's it is not a pleasant contemplation.

Again I have no problem with the possibility that something intelligent could be behind all of this. If something like that exists then it follows that it would have to be way beyond my comprehension in complexity. I certainly would not attempt to describe such a force using the shifting foundations of human emotion. No way does something that weak create all of this.

We are the weakness, we are co creators in this and in reality we even choose to kill and eat others,life at others expense etc, aside from all the other horrors we allow to exist here.
Our choices are still free. People prove the reverse is possible all the time,they are not the victums of circumstance although some believe they were.

Logically the higher conscious state wouldnt get involved in those lower levels evolving that way (in that evil direction).

This 'all controlling God' is the false image, their own books warned them not to worship.

People can be born angry, sometimes starting by blaming their parents with that old cop out "Well I didnt ask to be born"bull shit".
Some take that feeling to the higher level again as they mature their core belief doesn't; as we see people blame God for creating the whole thing; you know 'Killing in the name of' Some of those who work forces are the same who wear crosses.
Thats why some fruit cakes march off to fight others ,judge others wrongly even murder prostitutes because they think God is on their side in it and really they just killed themselves and stole someone elses time from them.

That crap of an all controlling God is what man teaches by false claims that you or your past relatives didnt have any choice in your own dna or your evolution. It keeps their followers victims of circumstance which isnt wholly true.
We chose which way to face and go and we still have the choice which way to face and go.
Sometimes a rose grows out of a crack in a rock.

As I have maintained in every thread on the topic, I simply cannot consider any kind of creator regardless of what its name is that is a reflection of us. This same God that rewards and punishes the imperfection it created wont intervene when a Tsunami is about to kill hundreds of thousands of poor people living in grass shacks. This omnipotent being sits and watches while millions of people who had nothing to begin with starve to death. A god that ignores those who he sent his son for. A god that snapped its fingers and created this planet and everything on it in mere days. Oh I know, its all part of a divine plan.

[Andre]

Science does not support the creation of life in anyway shape or form. I'm not saying evolution didn't happen, I'm just saying it is not fact. So I don't have science proving what I believe and I don't have science proving, beyond a reasonable doubt the theory of evolution. But I will say nowhere in science has it been observed that life comes from anything other than life.

I'm not sure I understand this. Science is a result of life whether we were around or not and could very well be the basis for it. Science would have been there regardless of someone being there to discover it. For example the laws of gravity existed before Newton wrote them down. The question I guess now is who the cook was for all of this. A designer modeled after the God religions describe or random chance. Both are as unlikely as the other imo.

Something cannot have happened and then be said not to be a fact. If you fell down, you fell down. I think its pretty clear that evolution was and is a fact and its happening around us today from plants and insects to birds, animals etc. Life for the most part finds a way. Polar bears are moving south as the ice melts and Grizzly bears are moving north. There has already been documented offspring. So in effect a new species is at its beginning stages and right in front of our eyes. Life finds a way. That is until our enlightened species came along. Anything even near as successful if you want to call it that as us went extinct and we have been on the fast track behind them since the industrial revolution. To bad we haven't evolved. When we are gone and if theirs anything left after our raping and pillaging life will go merrily along without us and evolve. I mean lets be honest, this planet would be much better off w/o us. Our extinction will be more proof of evolution in many ways but nobody will be around to document it. The human epitaph will read, "thanks for the blink in time and good riddance" signed thee earth.

From nothing, nothing derives does not disprove evolution anymore then it proves a Christian God. Evolution is a result of life. W/o it there is no evolution. Evolution does not prove origin. For all anyone here knows, evolution could be part of the design, plan, whatever. I noticed Aliens were mentioned. Perhaps they are the Gods and they injected us with a conscience for some grand experiment. Ending up as somebody's oil change and that's it is not a pleasant contemplation.

Again I have no problem with the possibility that something intelligent could be behind all of this. If something like that exists then it follows that it would have to be way beyond my comprehension in complexity. I certainly would not attempt to describe such a force using the shifting foundations of human emotion. No way does something that weak create all of this.

We are the weakness, we are co creators in this and in reality we even choose to kill and eat others,life at others expense etc, aside from all the other horrors we allow to exist here.
Our choices are still free. People prove the reverse is possible all the time,they are not the victums of circumstance although some believe they were.

Logically the higher conscious state wouldnt get involved in those lower levels evolving that way (in that evil direction).

This 'all controlling God' is the false image, their own books warned them not to worship.

People can be born angry, sometimes starting by blaming their parents with that old cop out "Well I didnt ask to be born"bull shit".
Some take that feeling to the higher level again as they mature their core belief doesn't; as we see people blame God for creating the whole thing; you know 'Killing in the name of' Some of those who work forces are the same who wear crosses.
Thats why some fruit cakes march off to fight others ,judge others wrongly even murder prostitutes because they think God is on their side in it and really they just killed themselves and stole someone elses time from them.

That crap of an all controlling God is what man teaches by false claims that you or your past relatives didnt have any choice in your own dna or your evolution. It keeps their followers victims of circumstance which isnt wholly true.
We chose which way to face and go and we still have the choice which way to face and go.
Sometimes a rose grows out of a crack in a rock.

As I have maintained in every thread on the topic, I simply cannot consider any kind of creator regardless of what its name is that is a reflection of us. This same God that rewards and punishes the imperfection it created wont intervene when a Tsunami is about to kill hundreds of thousands of poor people living in grass shacks. This omnipotent being sits and watches while millions of people who had nothing to begin with starve to death. A god that ignores those who he sent his son for. A god that snapped its fingers and created this planet and everything on it in mere days. Oh I know, its all part of a divine plan.

That to me is exactly the explanation of the false image of God worshiped world wide.

The thing is this; those thoughts go along perfectly with the bought and sold invented God of jealousy and vengeance. Put yourself in the same position except think of it from a loving Gods perspective instead.
If your children were determined to go it all alone in the reverse direction to your suggestion (into material); would you stop them physically would you lock the door? Or would you give them warnings of the traps that await them in the direction they chose to head and give them all they require to survive or fail and an open door each way forever?