Shady title wins & losses..minus the judges?

[IamInuit]

The first Miranda/Abraham fight pissed me off for quite some time. Neumann acted like Abrahams wet nurse.

[greynotsoold]

I remember reading about that John michael johnson fight- you couldn't watch 'em on youtube back then. had no idea it was that blatant.
The second Chavez/Randall fight...keep in mind that I had been saying since before randall was stopped by Primo Ramos and went to prison that he was the guy that might beat Chavez...That was a close fight and Chavez was boxing him. the rule is was and always had been that, if an unintentional butt causes a cut, the fighter that caused the butt loses a point. That was a bad cut and the fight was stopped. If the ref or, especially, the doctor, had ruled that the fight was ok to go on, and Chavez declined, it would have been a tko.
The shadiest thing about that fight was the kid that sang "The Star Spangled banner" yelling 'viva Mexico.'

[Spicoli]

I remember reading about that John michael johnson fight- you couldn't watch 'em on youtube back then. had no idea it was that blatant.
The second Chavez/Randall fight...keep in mind that I had been saying since before randall was stopped by Primo Ramos and went to prison that he was the guy that might beat Chavez...That was a close fight and Chavez was boxing him. the rule is was and always had been that, if an unintentional butt causes a cut, the fighter that caused the butt loses a point. That was a bad cut and the fight was stopped. If the ref or, especially, the doctor, had ruled that the fight was ok to go on, and Chavez declined, it would have been a tko.
The shadiest thing about that fight was the kid that sang "The Star Spangled banner" yelling 'viva Mexico.'

'...it was my impression that Chavez did not want to continue with that gash, when I looked at him, asked him, he shook his head twice to me...the cut was bad enough to stop, but if he felt he could have continued, I probally would have let him...' it was a few days later and probally after King camped out on his doorstep for 3 nights, and the uproar got louder...Homansky sounded more certain. The rule was clear yeh and it was a gnarly cut but the irony was Chavez was a billygoat in 7 and 8. He was being out fought and looked fatigued and then Christmas came. Flip even told Mills to "let it go at least to the end of the round"...now thats a Dr. talking! Chavez body language said it all. The corner never allowed, or interested, in working on it. It just stank brother. Then King tucks Randall on undercards and they come out with some BS about him needing to beat -Whitaker- before a Chavez rematch Only in boxing and Jose Sullied'mans world

[Violent Demise]

sven ottke

It's been the popular thing to say when his name comes up. But if people where to actually watch his fights instead of going by what others say they'll see that a case can be made for Ottke winning every of his fights. Sven Ottke should be in the HOF

[Kirkland Laing]

sven ottke

It's been the popular thing to say when his name comes up. But if people where to actually watch his fights instead of going by what others say they'll see that a case can be made for Ottke winning every of his fights. Sven Ottke should be in the HOF

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How about the Robin Reid fight? At one point the ref almost disqualified Reid for fighting.

[Master]

sven ottke

It's been the popular thing to say when his name comes up. But if people where to actually watch his fights instead of going by what others say they'll see that a case can be made for Ottke winning every of his fights. Sven Ottke should be in the HOF

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How about the Robin Reid fight? At one point the ref almost disqualified Reid for fighting.

was going to post the same thing, the ref told off Reid for hitting Ottke too hard.

[Dark Lord Al]

sven ottke

It's been the popular thing to say when his name comes up. But if people where to actually watch his fights instead of going by what others say they'll see that a case can be made for Ottke winning every of his fights. Sven Ottke should be in the HOF

4

How about the Robin Reid fight? At one point the ref almost disqualified Reid for fighting.

was going to post the same thing, the ref told off Reid for hitting Ottke too hard.

Double standards , that's the same Reid who in many peoples opinions beat the unbeaten Calzaghe.

[Galaxy]

Kirkland over Molina for a recent one, wasn't a title fight but still bogus

[Spicoli]

Kirkland over Molina for a recent one, wasn't a title fight but still bogus

Great call, once the ref had a ringside consultation you knew Molina was about to get the shaft. Glad he finally got that 'trinket' though. Opportunity well earned.

[Master]

sven ottke

It's been the popular thing to say when his name comes up. But if people where to actually watch his fights instead of going by what others say they'll see that a case can be made for Ottke winning every of his fights. Sven Ottke should be in the HOF

4

How about the Robin Reid fight? At one point the ref almost disqualified Reid for fighting.

was going to post the same thing, the ref told off Reid for hitting Ottke too hard.

Double standards , that's the same Reid who in many peoples opinions beat the unbeaten Calzaghe.

That is not double standards. Reid lost a close decision to Joe. Actually his loss to Lacy was rough.

[Violent Demise]

sven ottke

It's been the popular thing to say when his name comes up. But if people where to actually watch his fights instead of going by what others say they'll see that a case can be made for Ottke winning every of his fights. Sven Ottke should be in the HOF

4

How about the Robin Reid fight? At one point the ref almost disqualified Reid for fighting.

sven ottke

It's been the popular thing to say when his name comes up. But if people where to actually watch his fights instead of going by what others say they'll see that a case can be made for Ottke winning every of his fights. Sven Ottke should be in the HOF

4

How about the Robin Reid fight? At one point the ref almost disqualified Reid for fighting.

was going to post the same thing, the ref told off Reid for hitting Ottke too hard.

Bullshit. If people were to really actually pay attention to the fight themselves instead of going by what other people say they'll see the ref is warning Reid about thumbing. Not about hitting him in the face. I mean come on. I can't believe so many people still actually think the ref warned Reid about hitting Ottke in the face. That's just dumb. Reid lost that fight cuz he let the ref take him out his game

[Galaxy]

The Soto vs Lorenzo DQ?

Was for an interim trinket but Sulaiman's boys decided not to agree with the decision. Shady?

[Master]

You watch this and tell me this is not cheating.

[Violent Demise]

You watch this and tell me this is not cheating.

The ref was crap. No denying that. The point deduction was unnecessary but he did hit him on the break. And it looks like there feet got tanged up on that knock down. Reid didn't protest the call.

[Master]

Reid did not protest because he knew there was no point.