manny is about the same as he has been for years

[chris6878]

I will say he's slowed but there are other factors contributing to his performance. Marquez catching him in the last fight was part planning practice and application by JMM and Nacho.

His performance against Rios is a mental issue. Manny needed to get past this one without incident to start to fully put this one behind him. That's why even though he could hit Rios at will, he didn't light him up at the end to put an exclamation mark on it. He didn't want to run into anything that brought it all crashing back. Especially with Rios, as that's his only chance to turn the tides (First fight w/ Alvarado). Manny should have did a better job clinching Rios on the inside as some of those rabbit punches had Manny overthinking early on.

Better assessment on the next time out depending on the opponent and their capability.

did jmm and nacho plan manny busting jmm up until the ko? pac was whooping him and people say he should stay away from jmm? if pac would've not went in for the kill and fought the kinda fight he did against rios, he would've stopped jmm. jmm will not fight him again because he knows he was in trouble....imo

[Galaxy]

I think he has slowed a little, the KO to Marquez has made Pacquiao less of a risk taker. But sticking to the game plan should see him victorious over most

[Addicted to_boxing]

I will say he's slowed but there are other factors contributing to his performance. Marquez catching him in the last fight was part planning practice and application by JMM and Nacho.

His performance against Rios is a mental issue. Manny needed to get past this one without incident to start to fully put this one behind him. That's why even though he could hit Rios at will, he didn't light him up at the end to put an exclamation mark on it. He didn't want to run into anything that brought it all crashing back. Especially with Rios, as that's his only chance to turn the tides (First fight w/ Alvarado). Manny should have did a better job clinching Rios on the inside as some of those rabbit punches had Manny overthinking early on.

Better assessment on the next time out depending on the opponent and their capability.

did jmm and nacho plan manny busting jmm up until the ko? pac was whooping him and people say he should stay away from jmm? if pac would've not went in for the kill and fought the kinda fight he did against rios, he would've stopped jmm. jmm will not fight him again because he knows he was in trouble....imo

Pac "was" ........ JMM "DID" he "FINISHED" Pac -- Accept the facts loser !!!

JMM does not even remotely resemble Rios in any facet of boxing!

Slurp slurp slurp slurp suck that Pa-cock. Rios maaaaaaaaaan , we're talking Rios .............. ala Iverson!!

* No skill
* No Speed
* No head movement
* No lateral movement
* No Speed
* No Brains
* No infight adjustment ability
* Could not handel mid level boxers like Abril and Alvarado

[bzkfn]

I will say he's slowed but there are other factors contributing to his performance. Marquez catching him in the last fight was part planning practice and application by JMM and Nacho.

His performance against Rios is a mental issue. Manny needed to get past this one without incident to start to fully put this one behind him. That's why even though he could hit Rios at will, he didn't light him up at the end to put an exclamation mark on it. He didn't want to run into anything that brought it all crashing back. Especially with Rios, as that's his only chance to turn the tides (First fight w/ Alvarado). Manny should have did a better job clinching Rios on the inside as some of those rabbit punches had Manny overthinking early on.

Better assessment on the next time out depending on the opponent and their capability.

did jmm and nacho plan manny busting jmm up until the ko? pac was whooping him and people say he should stay away from jmm? if pac would've not went in for the kill and fought the kinda fight he did against rios, he would've stopped jmm. jmm will not fight him again because he knows he was in trouble....imo

What fight were you watching? The rounds were simple to score. Pac clearly won 1 & 2, Marquez clearly won 3 & 4, Pac won 5 and Marquez knocked him out in the 6th. So 47-46 Pacquiao at the time of the stoppage is hardly "whooping him" now is it? Say Pac gets up from that bullet of a right hand he walked onto, he's now a point behind on the scorecards. Again, hardly "whooping him" is it? Pacquiao hasn't whopped Marquez in 42 rounds of trying so don't try and rewrite history with fanboy comments and face the reality of what actually happened. He walked onto a perfectly timed right hand and got knocked the fuck out.

[chris6878]

I will say he's slowed but there are other factors contributing to his performance. Marquez catching him in the last fight was part planning practice and application by JMM and Nacho.

His performance against Rios is a mental issue. Manny needed to get past this one without incident to start to fully put this one behind him. That's why even though he could hit Rios at will, he didn't light him up at the end to put an exclamation mark on it. He didn't want to run into anything that brought it all crashing back. Especially with Rios, as that's his only chance to turn the tides (First fight w/ Alvarado). Manny should have did a better job clinching Rios on the inside as some of those rabbit punches had Manny overthinking early on.


Better assessment on the next time out depending on the opponent and their capability.

did jmm and nacho plan manny busting jmm up until the ko? pac was whooping him and people say he should stay away from jmm? if pac would've not went in for the kill and fought the kinda fight he did against rios, he would've stopped jmm. jmm will not fight him again because he knows he was in trouble....imo

What fight were you watching? The rounds were simple to score. Pac clearly won 1 & 2, Marquez clearly won 3 & 4, Pac won 5 and Marquez knocked him out in the 6th. So 47-46 Pacquiao at the time of the stoppage is hardly "whooping him" now is it? Say Pac gets up from that bullet of a right hand he walked onto, he's now a point behind on the scorecards. Again, hardly "whooping him" is it? Pacquiao hasn't whopped Marquez in 42 rounds of trying so don't try and rewrite history with fanboy comments and face the reality of what actually happened. He walked onto a perfectly timed right hand and got knocked the fuck out.

pac was also winning that round with a ton of momentum before the ko. Im not taking anything away from jmm, but round 6 looked like the beggining of the end for jmm....until the ko

[Beanflicker]

if pac would've not went in for the kill and fought the kinda fight he did against rios, he would've stopped jmm.

There is no fighting JMM like he fought Rios. They are completely different fighters.

JMM always gave Pac problems because he's effectively aggressive, and he doesn't let Pacquaio jump in, shoe shine, and jump out: he fires back with hard, FAST counters. And of course, he moves. He doesn't stand in front of Pacquiao like so many other opponents have done.

JMM will always be a complete dog fight for Pacquaio. Pac would have stopped him? What makes you say that? Pac has fought him 4 times now, dropped him countless times, shattered his nose, and each time JMM has came through it.

[chris6878]

if pac would've not went in for the kill and fought the kinda fight he did against rios, he would've stopped jmm.

There is no fighting JMM like he fought Rios. They are completely different fighters.

JMM always gave Pac problems because he's effectively aggressive, and he doesn't let Pacquaio jump in, shoe shine, and jump out: he fires back with hard, FAST counters. And of course, he moves. He doesn't stand in front of Pacquiao like so many other opponents have done.

JMM will always be a complete dog fight for Pacquaio. Pac would have stopped him? What makes you say that? Pac has fought him 4 times now, dropped him countless times, shattered his nose, and each time JMM has came through it.

I didnt mean to say fight jmm like he did rios, I was trying to say not rushing in for the kill like he did with he got ktfo

[Master]

Manny beat a limited opponent which was hand picked for him to get a first victory in over 2 years. Until he fights a more respectable opponent we cannot say how far he has slipped.

[zhubin]

Manny beat a limited opponent which was hand picked for him to get a first victory in over 2 years. Until he fights a more respectable opponent we cannot say how far he has slipped.

Exactly. I think Manny was slipping even before he got KOed against Marquez. It's amazing how fighting a guy who was hand picked to make Pac look good all of sudden has people believing he has a shot against the likes of Floyd.

[bradlee180]

It's amazing how fighting a guy who was hand picked to make Pac look good all of sudden has people believing he has a shot against the likes of Floyd.

Floyd has been handpicking opponents for over 10 years since the 2002 Castillo controversy...

[zhubin]

It's amazing how fighting a guy who was hand picked to make Pac look good all of sudden has people believing he has a shot against the likes of Floyd.

Floyd has been handpicking opponents for over 10 years since the 2002 Castillo controversy...

Floyd's last fight was against a guy who was bigger than him and considered by many to be one of the bright new stars of boxing. Manny just fought a punch drunk, limited stiff. Stop hating.

[Beanflicker]

Exactly. I think Manny was slipping even before he got KOed against Marquez. It's amazing how fighting a guy who was hand picked to make Pac look good all of sudden has people believing he has a shot against the likes of Floyd.

Doesn't matter if he's hand picked or not. All you need to see is if the speed and reflexes are still there, which they seem to be.

[bradlee180]

Manny Pacquiao is definitely NOT the same.
Only johnny-come-latelies would say he is.

Way back in 2003 is when he made the big time with the Barrera upset.
He developed and continually improved, and was in the zone 2008-2010.
Since the Nov 2010 Margarito fight, Pacquiao's been on the slide.
It's been a slow slide though, not the abrupt kind where a guy shows up one night and simply just doesn't have it anymore.

His speed ain't the same, his killer-instinct ain't the same, even his pace and energy levels aren't the same. Still has good punch resistance aside from the Marquez shot which was a perfect shot and would've took out any welterweight. He's still a top fighter though even if he's not what he used to be.

Floyd ain't the same either. He has excellent technical skills which will allow him to compete with much younger guys even as his physical abilities aren't the same anymore. Floyd ain't as fast as he used to be, his reflexes have slowed a bit so he gets hit more nowadays, his pace has slowed making him far more economical with his pot-shots. His face is even looking old these days.

Both these guys are still faster than most fighters, but they don't have the super-human blurry-fast speed they used to have.

It would've been prime-to-prime a couple of years ago; now it would be two slightly-past-it guys and who has fallen further? I wouldn't pay for it...

I didn't pay for Roy Jones/Tito Trinidad, Roy Jones/Bernard Hopkins II either...