Tomasz Adamek vs Evander Holyfield

[ruthless rocco]

Relax... I also think Holyfield wins but I do think he wins UD not KO.

Adamek isn't THAT bad, come on. He lost to Vitali Klitschko at HW... Who hasn't!

The punch bag bit might have been a little wind up sure but I didn't think the thread was THAT outrageous! LOL

I think you should do all the work @Max Power ...because what you're proposing is so stupid.
1- what were each of their respective "primes"?
2- who had they fought AND defeated in their respective "primes"?
3- have you ever watched a boxing match...ever?

[Morgan-B-Howell]

Holyfield had an amazing career (wish he'd retired a long time ago though). He could punch at Heavyweight alright. Ask Tyson, Bowe etc. etc. etc.

He may have been 14 1/2 st to 15 1/2 st but he was "carved out of granite" at that weight. He had hand speed, technique, great movement, power, chin, massive heart and a champion's mentality. Which is why he had the career he had. There were better fighters at the time "on their day" but overall I think he deserves to go down as one of the best ever.

There isn't the competition around today that could compare with the best fighters of the 90s in the HW division.

[Max Power]

Well I do rate Holyfield one of the best of all time and in fact he is one of my favourite boxers but I also think a lot of you guys are painting too large a gap in talent between someone like Adamek and someone like Holyfield.

You think Adamek is not fit to be an opponent of Holyfield, obvious by your snide remarks. When in actual fact the fight would not resemble a "beat-down" at all.

Adamek doesn't rank anywhere near Holyfield either in terms of h2h or greatness in my book the same as yours but the actual gap in their talent is not so great that Tomasz would be a punch bag for him.

[erics44]

IMO adamek is one of the most over rated boxers of this current era when it comes to the weights above light heavyweight

problem is when comparing you have to consider holyfield enjoyed his best form when he was juicing

drugs asside at HW holyfield would batter him prime for prime

[p4pking]

Well I do rate Holyfield one of the best of all time and in fact he is one of my favourite boxers but I also think a lot of you guys are painting too large a gap in talent between someone like Adamek and someone like Holyfield.

You think Adamek is not fit to be an opponent of Holyfield, obvious by your snide remarks. When in actual fact the fight would not resemble a "beat-down" at all.

Adamek doesn't rank anywhere near Holyfield either in terms of h2h or greatness in my book the same as yours but the actual gap in their talent is not so great that Tomasz would be a punch bag for him.

Yes it is, as was the gap in physicality and boxing skills. Adamek has never been a great HW ever, there is no "prime" version of him to even talk about here. He couldn't have hurt Holyfield with anything or outfought him for 5 seconds, and he's been in serious trouble against much lesser and smaller men. He did well against Arreola because Cris couldn't land repeatedly or follow up on anything, Evander would have found him easily and torn him apart. Nobody ever came close to beating Holyfield without the ability to hurt him unless you look at the old man. Byrd would have maybe always given him a run, but he was a much better boxer than Adamek, who fought nothing like that.

[Morgan-B-Howell]

Well I do rate Holyfield one of the best of all time and in fact he is one of my favourite boxers but I also think a lot of you guys are painting too large a gap in talent between someone like Adamek and someone like Holyfield.

You think Adamek is not fit to be an opponent of Holyfield, obvious by your snide remarks. When in actual fact the fight would not resemble a "beat-down" at all.

Adamek doesn't rank anywhere near Holyfield either in terms of h2h or greatness in my book the same as yours but the actual gap in their talent is not so great that Tomasz would be a punch bag for him.

I understand what you're saying. There are plenty of people who don't really rank with Holyfield's class or level or achievements obviously but that doesn't mean they wouldn't cause him problems. E.g. Bert Cooper.

[Bo-Bo24]

I've never got what people rate in Adamek. He's been very lucky with points decisions in his last few fights. And against a prime Holyfield he would stand no chance. They're not even close to being in the same league!

[El Kabong]

Prime for Prime? Evander would hammer the crap out of Adamek.

[Master]

Adamek loses to Holyfield and Joe Frazier. The new modern heavyweights are poor at present and that is the reason why average heavyweights now seem better than they really are.

[Mr140]

Thank god i thought Holyfeild was fighting again just a hypothetical match which is almost as fucking stupid to make. Holyfeild is the best cw of all time and top 10 atg Heavyweight most of his loses are after he was 40 and past his day Adamek is eh Holyfeild is a great and better at everything in boxing.

[Max Power]

Yeah well I think if you buy into that crap Master that the modern HW's couldn't hold a candle to the old guys then you've swallowed the American media spin. Funny how not many outside the US, where American HW's are seriously challenged to keep up now, that opinion doesn't seem quite so prevalent.

There'll always be the "old time nutbags" in every sport but there is far too much tolerance for it in the boxing world.

Holyfield was a GREAT fighter, I have him #5! But you guys seem to forget that he LOST sometimes and was seriously challenged at others by much lesser fighters. You forget that he didn't even gain any respect as a champion until he lost a fight.

His HW record stands at 26-10 with a low KO ratio, as we all know it's not as bad as it looks because some of those losses were when he was old and he was never a big puncher. One question I'd like to pose to the idiot who said Adamek would be battered is this... "Who has Holyfield ever battered into submission at HW?" Nobody. He is a counter-puncher and an attrition brawler. So basically with such a stupid comment your claiming that Adamek would be the worst opponent of Holyfield's career!

[Max Power]

Well DarkLordAl, since it's accepted that Adamek is a bit out of depth today against the Klitschko's who far outsize him, I wondered simply how the forum would see him going against a former great who was more his own size. There was no other agenda, I personally view Holyfield as a modern fighter anyway (he virtually pioneered the term with his once radical but now universal training regime) and believe he clearly bests Adamek as the others here seem to believe as well.

However the response has seemed to skew this thread into a different topic. That HW's today couldn't hold a candle to their ancestors. That's a mistake! Or a very biased view.

[Dark Lord Al]

Well DarkLordAl, since it's accepted that Adamek is a bit out of depth today against the Klitschko's who far outsize him, I wondered simply how the forum would see him going against a former great who was more his own size. There was no other agenda, I personally view Holyfield as a modern fighter anyway (he virtually pioneered the term with his once radical but now universal training regime) and believe he clearly bests Adamek as the others here seem to believe as well.

However the response has seemed to skew this thread into a different topic. That HW's today couldn't hold a candle to their ancestors. That's a mistake! Or a very biased view.

Firstly I don't buy into the oldies at HW being better either , secondly I answered your question , Holyfield was great at CW , and would have won by stoppage.

[Max Power]

And I was just answering yours, sorry did not mean to appear rude!