Tomasz Adamek vs Evander Holyfield

[Max Power]

Adamek loses to Holyfield and Joe Frazier. The new modern heavyweights are poor at present and that is the reason why average heavyweights now seem better than they really are.

You cannot rubbish a modern contender and THEN go on to bring up an ancient HW like Frazier who has so many skeletons in his closet and probably would not be able to even compete as a professional HW today. Try again!

[Master]

Adamek loses to Holyfield and Joe Frazier. The new modern heavyweights are poor at present and that is the reason why average heavyweights now seem better than they really are.

You cannot rubbish a modern contender and THEN go on to bring up an ancient HW like Frazier who has so many skeletons in his closet and probably would not be able to even compete as a professional HW today. Try again!

No need to try again calling Joe non-professional says it all.

[Max Power]

I did not say Joe was un-professional. I just implied he would not amount to TODAY what we would describe as a professional HW boxer.

If he kept his weight below the CW limit, sure I think he would be competitive but he demonstratably could not compete with modern superheavyweight punchers.

John Ruiz, Joe Frazier and Roy Jones Jr. could maybe find pockets of success at HW as they all did but they are far too weak to make any serious impact!

[Master]

I did not say Joe was un-professional. I just implied he would not amount to TODAY what we would describe as a professional HW boxer.

If he kept his weight below the CW limit, sure I think he would be competitive but he demonstratably could not compete with modern superheavyweight punchers.

John Ruiz, Joe Frazier and Roy Jones Jr. could maybe find pockets of success at HW as they all did but they are far too weak to make any serious impact!

Putting John Ruiz and Roy Jones Jr in the same sentence as Joe Frazier as HW champions is wrong.

[Spicoli]

It was pretty evident that Ruiz wasn't having a serious impact on the division while he was active, let alone in a hypothetical 2013.

[FinitoElDinamita]

I did not say Joe was un-professional. I just implied he would not amount to TODAY what we would describe as a professional HW boxer.

If he kept his weight below the CW limit, sure I think he would be competitive but he demonstratably could not compete with modern superheavyweight punchers.

John Ruiz, Joe Frazier and Roy Jones Jr. could maybe find pockets of success at HW as they all did but they are far too weak to make any serious impact!

I agree with this. Joe Frazier wouldnt be successful against the modern HWs.. He would be a tough, fringe contender maybe not even that..