What would happen if Klitschko called out Ali's opponents?

[Max Power]

If 60s-70s heavies had access to the drugs, nutrition and training methods of today then they'd be as 'big' as guys today. What? You thought athletes being larger today is down to evolution?

I've no doubt that this is the case and I'm not comparing a hypothetical army of golden age fighters. I'm comparing the "actual" ones because it's they who are usually used as the bench mark for "greatness".

The only way to really attempt to fairly compare heavyweight fighters from different eras is to use a Pound 4 Pound like system of comparison.

Because the nutrition, training methods & steroids are all so different from one generation to another you have to level the playing field and imagine all the fighters being the same size and carrying their respective power and skill sets appropriately.
So you have to imagine Big George Foreman being as big as a Klitchko. You have imagine him having the benefit contemporary science, medicine, nutrition and drugs like the Klits have had.

You think Michael Grant could stand up to a 6'5, 250lb Joe Frazier? I don't think so.

Rocco in a way that IS kind of one of the points I'm getting at. It IS silly to compare them which is what OTHERS do in a favourable fashion since in reality the modern fighters are on average 1 or 2 weight ranges upward of what was previous. It would be like comparing a middleweight with a cruiser!.

What a stupid statement, if Joe Frazier were 6'5" and 250lbs he would neither fight like the real Frazier, nor have the same balance or anything. In fact I am POSITIVE Grant would still knock him out!

[Max Power]

Foreman had genuine and natural power, just because Grant may be bigger does not mean he hit harder. Power is also about technique, timing, surprise and speed. The calibre of top fighters in the 70's were better hence why they may not have great statistical records. Fighters today try and protect their 0.

@Master

The calibre of the 70's opponents was definitely not better! Let me ask you, how do you know the real quality of Ali's opponents, or Frazier's or Foreman's? How do you know the records and the quality of the opponents their opponents fought against? Are you telling me you've watched the couple thousand fights the opponents of these guys fought respectively?

I will tell you I have seen enough to make an honest assessment and I believe in one thing. That athletes and sportsmen get better and better as time goes by and it's a no brainer really. Everybody knows this! But people like you will try to bury the obvious in favour of your cultist attitudes toward the modern era. It happened to Ali in his time when everybody thought Marciano and Louis would have flogged Ali, it happened to Tyson, it happened to Lewis, and it's happening now.

Today's boxers are "visibly" not only bigger but far more skilled, faster and more athletic on average than the entire generation your are promoting. I'm not talking individuals or champs now, there will always be special circumstances, but in general the overall quality of this era shits all over the era of the 70's. When Klitschko beats an opponent, that opponent not only has a better record, he has it against opponents who had a better class of opponents as well.

Yesterdays contenders would be todays tomato cans!

I agree with you that power is more than just size, how stupid do you think I am! Thing is, Grant throws a cleaner punch than Foreman, you can SEE it! Grant knocked out REAL HW opponents, George knocked out tomato cans and cruisers mainly.

When George won the title from Frazier, check out his next fight. He defended his title against a guy named Jose Roman, watch it it only goes a round or 2. This is not an accurate measure of a mighty puncher, any HW today that is regarded as punch weak could not fail to knock this opponent out! And this was a TITLE DEFENCE! Wake up mate! This was another prime example of the "highly skilled golden age of boxing". Only a drunk could see this as a masterful boxing performance!

[La Cucaracha]

Ross Purutty TKO11

[Max Power]

Oh yeah I forgot Young & Ellis would also fuck WladKlit up

So out of 90 odd fights you had to scratch your head to find 2 decent win opponents of Shaver's to also weigh in on old Wlad boy ey? How low can we go!

"Under-dog" Wlad must be a lucky guy, despite being the complete bum and nobody he is he had somehow managed for nearly 10 years in a row to overcome adversity again and AGAIN!

Ross Purutty TKO11

Wladimir Klitschko has lost 3 fights out of 64 to date, looks like he will rack up several more and doesn't look like losing ever again. And all of his opponents were REAL 200+ HW opponents, not cruiserweights. Already this represents the greatest 200+ HW record OF ALL TIME!

Ross Purrity is lacking in certain skills, but he was a very experienced boxer and Wladimir was rather green at time of fight and had never been in the waters before that Puritty dragged him. He is a big tall guy with a lot of muscle and fights with high explosiveness. Therefore a fighter like this will gas much easier if they do not pace themselves, which is what happened. Since then, Wlad has never gassed again (under legit circumstances). He learned from his mistakes each time and made himself closer to invincible.

Puritty is the type of fighter that would have been in his element back in the 70's.
Muhammad Ali never fought someone as experienced+heavy as Ross Puritty, it's a fact!

If you watch the first punch landed by Corrie Sanders that dropped Klitschko in slow motion you will notice that Wlad's head got sandwiched between Sander's head and his punch. This would have wasted ANY boxer, Wlad still got up several times to be knocked down again and again until waved off. And in any case, Sander's is a 6'4" 225lb aggressive southpaw with lightening fast hands and fire in his fists. With more dedicated training he could have been a more prominent champ himself! This guy would have wasted the entire 70's division. Only Foreman would have been an obstacle. Since then Wlad has always been solid in defence.

Against Brewster he was extremely sick, confirmed by medical reports and the REAL ending for Brewster vs Klitschko came in their 2nd fight.

So of his 3 losses, only 2 were legit, 1 was a gas out and 1 he got caught early by a big shot and both were big guys with a big punch! And he has always finished the fight on his feet, never knocked unconscious. Even when he was about to fall into a hyperglycaemic coma! I'd say that's pretty bloody excellent.

Especially considering Muhammad Ali lost to such tomato cans like Frazier, Norton and Spinks! Where he was not just dropped by punchers chance or energy levels, he was actually outboxed from start to finish.

[La Cucaracha]

3 KO loses to NOBODIES Guys Frazier, Norton & Spinks wouldn't have even let hold the spit bucket

[Max Power]

LOL and they say I'M the wind up merchant!

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