Sakio Bika underated

[IamInuit]

Bika is not a boxer, he is a fighter. He's crude and very, very rude/dirty in the ring. His days as a champion are limited even though he does have the heart of a champion.
Anthony 'The Idiot' Dirrell had the belt in his hands and let it slip away!

That about covers it.

[ross]

Bika is not a boxer, he is a fighter. He's crude and very, very rude/dirty in the ring. His days as a champion are limited even though he does have the heart of a champion.
Anthony 'The Idiot' Dirrell had the belt in his hands and let it slip away!

That about covers it.

Not really. Even if he hadnt ran like a twat in the last round he wouldnt have won, or shouldnt have. Even the commentators who were american had Bika ahead by 2 points and that accomodating the point deduction and knockdown!

[Dark Lord Al]

So you consider a man stepping up from 160 lbs to 168 lbs a blown up middle , however you lorded Steve Cunningham for being a real HW , you make me smile with your double standards , an 8 lb jump is to much , however trying to fight a guy 45 lb above your natural weight is ok , is that what you are saying ?
Were Benn ,Eubank ,Toney , RJJ , McCallum ,Barkley , Nunn etc real super Middles or blown up Middle weights ?
Please explain what you mean.
As for Bika he is a tough fighter , but can be outboxed.

[IamInuit]

Bika is not a boxer, he is a fighter. He's crude and very, very rude/dirty in the ring. His days as a champion are limited even though he does have the heart of a champion.
Anthony 'The Idiot' Dirrell had the belt in his hands and let it slip away!

That about covers it.

Not really. Even if he hadnt ran like a twat in the last round he wouldnt have won, or shouldnt have. Even the commentators who were american had Bika ahead by 2 points and that accomodating the point deduction and knockdown!

He let him off the hook a couple of times @ross and the announcers well.....they are announcers. He hit a wall mentally after round 5. That was pretty evident last night

[Scott22]

I thought Dirrell did enough for the win.

[ross]

So you consider a man stepping up from 160 lbs to 168 lbs a blown up middle , however you lorded Steve Cunningham for being a real HW , you make me smile with your double standards , an 8 lb jump is to much , however trying to fight a guy 45 lb above your natural weight is ok , is that what you are saying ?
Were Benn ,Eubank ,Toney , RJJ , McCallum ,Barkley , Nunn etc real super Middles or blown up Middle weights ?
Please explain what you mean.
As for Bika he is a tough fighter , but can be outboxed.

Compare Cunninghams physique with any other fighter at cruiser and try telling us that isn't a heavyweight cutting down to cruiser...

They graduated up there, they werent made to jump a weight to be name fodder

Also, yes I realise that Bika can be outboxed but the whole point of this thread is because Bika looks crude that someone as shit as Chavez Jr would not only stand a chance but wipe the floor with Bika when he cant even cut it against mediocre middleweights.

[Dark Lord Al]

So you consider a man stepping up from 160 lbs to 168 lbs a blown up middle , however you lorded Steve Cunningham for being a real HW , you make me smile with your double standards , an 8 lb jump is to much , however trying to fight a guy 45 lb above your natural weight is ok , is that what you are saying ?
Were Benn ,Eubank ,Toney , RJJ , McCallum ,Barkley , Nunn etc real super Middles or blown up Middle weights ?
Please explain what you mean.
As for Bika he is a tough fighter , but can be outboxed.

Compare Cunninghams physique with any other fighter at cruiser and try telling us that isn't a heavyweight cutting down to cruiser...

They graduated up there, they werent made to jump a weight to be name fodder

Also, yes I realise that Bika can be outboxed but the whole point of this thread is because Bika looks crude that someone as shit as Chavez Jr would not only stand a chance but wipe the floor with Bika when he cant even cut it against mediocre middleweights.

So to sum up Cunningham who has a low knockout rate , can be more effective at HW giving away up to 45lbs , than a middleweight moving up 8 lbs , well glad we cleared that up.

[ross]

So you consider a man stepping up from 160 lbs to 168 lbs a blown up middle , however you lorded Steve Cunningham for being a real HW , you make me smile with your double standards , an 8 lb jump is to much , however trying to fight a guy 45 lb above your natural weight is ok , is that what you are saying ?
Were Benn ,Eubank ,Toney , RJJ , McCallum ,Barkley , Nunn etc real super Middles or blown up Middle weights ?
Please explain what you mean.
As for Bika he is a tough fighter , but can be outboxed.

Compare Cunninghams physique with any other fighter at cruiser and try telling us that isn't a heavyweight cutting down to cruiser...

They graduated up there, they werent made to jump a weight to be name fodder

Also, yes I realise that Bika can be outboxed but the whole point of this thread is because Bika looks crude that someone as shit as Chavez Jr would not only stand a chance but wipe the floor with Bika when he cant even cut it against mediocre middleweights.

So to sum up Cunningham who has a low knockout rate , can be more effective at HW giving away up to 45lbs , than a middleweight moving up 8 lbs , well glad we cleared that up.

He was though. His performance against Fury he showed more power than he could develope at cruiser.

There are fighters all over the divisions who boil down because they can so they have an advantage in strength. Cruisers boil down so they arent so disadvantaged at heavy which is the only weight where there is no limit on disparity. Abraham had no skill at middle, only strength, he has had no success with any world class supermiddles, unlike the the likes of Eubank and Benn who did.

I dont know why you are getting exciting and turning this in to another mass debate about Cunningham/Fury fighters all know moving up to heavy there is no weight restrictions but yes a skillfull fighter like Cunningham would have more success against the likes of smaller heavies like Adamek, or Adameks bitch Arreola, or Chisora, Stiverne etc than he will with a genuinely big skilled man like Fury. Deffnitely more effective where he hasnt had to cut weight. Even at 210lb against Fury he was ripped to shreds and could easily carry another 10lb before he even remotely starts looking like the likes of Arreola or Stiverne, who by contrast if they were to reduce their body fat content down to Cunninghams would probably weigh less than Steve.

These two blobs both weighed around 245lb in their fit against each other and both could lose 35lb.



Now contrast those two to how Steve Cunningham looked on the scales for Fury.

[bzkfn]

How is Periban shit?

He was a national amateur champion with wins over the likes of Shawn Porter and he did what your supposed to do to Darnell Boone, he smashed him inside a round and didnt get dropped like Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev!

Its not just 2 undefeated fighters Bika has faced this year its 3. They are unknown quantities until they have faced there first test and Bika was man enough to step in to the unkown 3 times this year against solid proper super middles, not weight drained Yusef Mack or Chad Dawson, or blown up middles like Abraham. Bika is all man

So Periban is class because he had a decent amateur record? Then surely that makes Audley Harrison a valid world class Haye opponent on Haye's record? Olympic Gold Medal winner who lost out at his only shot at a World Title? And you said Haye's record was shit.

[ross]

How is Periban shit?

He was a national amateur champion with wins over the likes of Shawn Porter and he did what your supposed to do to Darnell Boone, he smashed him inside a round and didnt get dropped like Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev!

Its not just 2 undefeated fighters Bika has faced this year its 3. They are unknown quantities until they have faced there first test and Bika was man enough to step in to the unkown 3 times this year against solid proper super middles, not weight drained Yusef Mack or Chad Dawson, or blown up middles like Abraham. Bika is all man

So Periban is class because he had a decent amateur record? Then surely that makes Audley Harrison a valid world class Haye opponent on Haye's record? Olympic Gold Medal winner who lost out at his only shot at a World Title? And you said Haye's record was shit.

Audley had numerous losses including by KO before he fought for a world title.

[bzkfn]

How is Periban shit?

He was a national amateur champion with wins over the likes of Shawn Porter and he did what your supposed to do to Darnell Boone, he smashed him inside a round and didnt get dropped like Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev!

Its not just 2 undefeated fighters Bika has faced this year its 3. They are unknown quantities until they have faced there first test and Bika was man enough to step in to the unkown 3 times this year against solid proper super middles, not weight drained Yusef Mack or Chad Dawson, or blown up middles like Abraham. Bika is all man

So Periban is class because he had a decent amateur record? Then surely that makes Audley Harrison a valid world class Haye opponent on Haye's record? Olympic Gold Medal winner who lost out at his only shot at a World Title? And you said Haye's record was shit.

Audley had numerous losses including by KO before he fought for a world title.

My point is that Audley had a cracking amatuer record but had done nothing of note as a pro, so he was considered shit. Periban might have had a decent amateur record, but he's achieved nothing as a pro so you can hardly refer to him as a 'top class' Super-Middle can you?

[ross]

How is Periban shit?

He was a national amateur champion with wins over the likes of Shawn Porter and he did what your supposed to do to Darnell Boone, he smashed him inside a round and didnt get dropped like Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev!

Its not just 2 undefeated fighters Bika has faced this year its 3. They are unknown quantities until they have faced there first test and Bika was man enough to step in to the unkown 3 times this year against solid proper super middles, not weight drained Yusef Mack or Chad Dawson, or blown up middles like Abraham. Bika is all man

So Periban is class because he had a decent amateur record? Then surely that makes Audley Harrison a valid world class Haye opponent on Haye's record? Olympic Gold Medal winner who lost out at his only shot at a World Title? And you said Haye's record was shit.

Audley had numerous losses including by KO before he fought for a world title.

My point is that Audley had a cracking amatuer record but had done nothing of note as a pro, so he was considered shit. Periban might have had a decent amateur record, but he's achieved nothing as a pro so you can hardly refer to him as a 'top class' Super-Middle can you?

He's done nothing?

He pushed a world champion hard and was unlucky not to get the decision against Jack. All in he has one loss on points to a world champion. Thats one better than George Groves

[Dark Lord Al]

So you consider a man stepping up from 160 lbs to 168 lbs a blown up middle , however you lorded Steve Cunningham for being a real HW , you make me smile with your double standards , an 8 lb jump is to much , however trying to fight a guy 45 lb above your natural weight is ok , is that what you are saying ?
Were Benn ,Eubank ,Toney , RJJ , McCallum ,Barkley , Nunn etc real super Middles or blown up Middle weights ?
Please explain what you mean.
As for Bika he is a tough fighter , but can be outboxed.

Compare Cunninghams physique with any other fighter at cruiser and try telling us that isn't a heavyweight cutting down to cruiser...

They graduated up there, they werent made to jump a weight to be name fodder

Also, yes I realise that Bika can be outboxed but the whole point of this thread is because Bika looks crude that someone as shit as Chavez Jr would not only stand a chance but wipe the floor with Bika when he cant even cut it against mediocre middleweights.

So to sum up Cunningham who has a low knockout rate , can be more effective at HW giving away up to 45lbs , than a middleweight moving up 8 lbs , well glad we cleared that up.

He was though. His performance against Fury he showed more power than he could develope at cruiser.

There are fighters all over the divisions who boil down because they can so they have an advantage in strength. Cruisers boil down so they arent so disadvantaged at heavy which is the only weight where there is no limit on disparity. Abraham had no skill at middle, only strength, he has had no success with any world class supermiddles, unlike the the likes of Eubank and Benn who did.

I dont know why you are getting exciting and turning this in to another mass debate about Cunningham/Fury fighters all know moving up to heavy there is no weight restrictions but yes a skillfull fighter like Cunningham would have more success against the likes of smaller heavies like Adamek, or Adameks bitch Arreola, or Chisora, Stiverne etc than he will with a genuinely big skilled man like Fury. Deffnitely more effective where he hasnt had to cut weight. Even at 210lb against Fury he was ripped to shreds and could easily carry another 10lb before he even remotely starts looking like the likes of Arreola or Stiverne, who by contrast if they were to reduce their body fat content down to Cunninghams would probably weigh less than Steve.

These two blobs both weighed around 245lb in their fit against each other and both could lose 35lb.



Now contrast those two to how Steve Cunningham looked on the scales for Fury.

Keep clinging on to a hope , fact Holyfield was a banger at CW , he moved to HW and became a respectable hitter , Cunningham couldn't punch at CW , and the reason he floored Fury was not that he could hit at HW it is because Fury has a glass jaw, not because cunningham suddenly became a major hitter at HW.
You are a delusional fool clinging on to your love for fury.
As for Bika. He is a workmanlike good fighter who will lose his title soon , but he will give his all in every fight.

[ross]

Holyfield took growth hormone to move up!

He was a cruiser when the cruiser limit was only 190lb. Look at Cunninghams body on the scales for Fury, do you think he could lose 20lb? Cunningham is more a natural heavy than Holyfield.

[Dark Lord Al]

Holyfield took growth hormone to move up!

He was a cruiser when the cruiser limit was only 190lb. Look at Cunninghams body on the scales for Fury, do you think he could lose 20lb? Cunningham is more a natural heavy than Holyfield.

What I'm saying is Holyfield was a puncher at CW. And was a respectable puncher at HW. ,
Cunningham couldn't break an egg at CW so he doesn't suddenly become a puncher at HW those are the facts ,you just can't seem to see it.