Nelson Mandela has died

[Master]

No body says he was but he was a socialist so you do not like him.

He's not a hero of mine. He EVENTUALLY did right by his country with peace and that is commendable.


Must I like a socialist? Is it required of me?

No but you should dislike them if they are.

[El Kabong]

No but you should dislike them if they are.

....perhaps his years as a terrorist give me enough reason

[El Kabong]

My problem is this: leftist leaders, no matter what they do, are lionized. They don't have to bring peace to some war tore place, they don't have to feed the hungry or house the homeless or any of that they get by on the backs of propagandists. Anyone who doesn't espouse the leftist/socialist doctrine is immediately considered evil and everyone is happy to be rid of them.

Someone looks at Mandela they see a man of peace a man of greatness, a man who did good for his country.

The winners write the history books I guess....Mandela is lionized and for ending Apartheid that is fine, but dig deeper and you can see the truth.

[Gandalf]

My problem is this: leftist leaders, no matter what they do, are lionized. They don't have to bring peace to some war tore place, they don't have to feed the hungry or house the homeless or any of that they get by on the backs of propagandists. Anyone who doesn't espouse the leftist/socialist doctrine is immediately considered evil and everyone is happy to be rid of them.

Someone looks at Mandela they see a man of peace a man of greatness, a man who did good for his country.

The winners write the history books I guess....Mandela is lionized and for ending Apartheid that is fine, but dig deeper and you can see the truth.

Leftist leaders get lionized? Who exactly? What you describe is your own political system and in fact your own political system is against the entire world through either actual physical invasion or else online privacy invasion. Either way, anyone who disagrees with America doesn't need a court of law, but a one way ticket to rendition. But yeah, criticize the lefties who don't really exist in the meaningful political world. It is the right wing manifest destiny types who are the real problem and they are so wacky that they sign up for Warhammer as any decent civil servant will.

Mandela is being flaunted by hideous zealots who themselves are far greater terrorists than Mandela. "Ooh, smile!" says wannabe butcher Cameron and actual butcher Obama as they smile for pictures. Mandela is lionized because he sold out to the butchers. If he had actually been left wing and refused to pay off debt incurred by racists, if he had actually nationalised welfare, he would have been ostracised. That is why Mandela is loved. Race is just the subtext, he perpetuated economic interests, that is the main point of Mandela.

Obama and Cameron will not be going to the funeral of Fidel Castro and I don't see Britain pursuing the policies of Attlee for much longer. Nobody in the Western elite looks up to or lionizes real political socialists. They have eliminated and condemned genuine socialists. Real socialists like Orwell have been used for blueprints only. Only the deranged right remain in power and socialism is almost a defunct term politically.

[Kirkland Laing]

[El Kabong]

Leftist leaders get lionized? Who exactly?

Ted Kennedy is one, Che Guavera, Mandela, FDR, soon to be Jimmy Carter

And why? Because of their INTENTIONS not that they killed someone, killed a few people, put the Japanese in internment camps, etc